Talk:Rim (wheel)

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March 2010

Effective Diameter:

Excuse me, but "bead seats"? Do the mean this http://www.biztrademarket.com/User/175031/bb/3)comfort_beads_seat_cushion_wzo.jpg? What on earth is a bead seat?--Waxsin (talk) 00:11, 14 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Each tire has a "bead" (see: tire bead article) that fits a slot or groove in the rim of the wheel in which it "seats". Therefore, the diameter of the rim (as measured through the axis of the hub) is also the distance between the tire's bead seats. For a proper fit, the tire and rim diameter are designed to be matched together with same dimensions. The bead seats are most often called in "inch rim" sizes, and use common type of tire sizes found on most automobiles, minivans, sport utility vehicles, and light duty light trucks. For example: a 15-inch tire mounts on a wheel that is designed with 15-inch bead seats on its rim. I hope this helps — CZmarlin (talk) 02:01, 14 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Photo of rim retailer

I cannot see how this picture of a rim retailer helps the article in any way. Less than 50% of the image is actually of rims and many are duplicates. It has been removed twice already, and the editor that originally inserted it has reverted twice with these edit summaries:

picture shows a store window filled with a wide variety of rims instead of just one.
A picture of a rim with a dent is helpful, but a picture with many rims is not? Not credible.

If the issue is showing a variety of rims, wouldn't a small gallery be better? There are a lot of images to choose from at commons.wikimedia.org. That would allow us to be selective, avoid duplicates, and show enough detail and provide captions to be informative. -AndrewDressel (talk) 00:37, 3 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The picture shows with a single image that rims can come in a wide variety of styles and that they may be sold through dealers who specialize in wheels. I don't agree at all with the removal. but it isn't important enough to engage in a protracted test of wills.Dwight Burdette (talk) 13:47, 3 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The picture of a retail store does not show rims. This "Tire Stop" location has a display of automobile wheels in its front windows. Thus, there is no reason to illustrate a retail business selling automobile wheels when the article is about one part of a wheel. Similarly a picture of a restaurant would not be helpful illustrate an article about hamburgers. CZmarlin (talk) 14:40, 3 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

More specs

Searching for some rims online, i see some specs terminology which could be mentioned here:

number of wheel stud holes, of course
bolt pattern (may have other names) (example: 114.3 mm) : apparently, the diametre of the wheel stud holes circle.
offset (example: 45 mm) : don't know yet. Perhaps the distance from the plane of one side of the rim to the plane of contact with the wheel mechanism, from which the wheel studs protrude.

--Jerome Potts (talk) 03:18, 27 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Better scope in text and images

There's 3 images in this article and they're all from cars. At least one should be a bicycle, and at least one or two more should be from other vehicles, like a train, or a tracked vehicle, or a historical vehicle. And the text coverage should be similarly broader in scope. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 15:38, 27 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Rims are not exclusively the outer edge

This article fails to acknowledge that rims are not exclusively the outer edge. There are also chrome rims that may or may not have spinners on them. Look up "chrome rims" at Google Images. This Talk page has a section § Photo of rim retailer, where you can read that someone tried to add an image to this article that shows such rims. This is truly a shortcoming of this article, and I suggest that someone who knows more about cars than I do adds a section about chrome rims. Perhaps that new section could also mention spinners. --143.176.30.65 (talk) 21:51, 11 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello 143.176.30.65, Thank you for your posting about the use of "chrome rims" and the shortcomings in this WP article. Although an encyclopedia is not a dictionary, I would urge you to please check the definition of the word "rim". For example, the following are taken from the meaning of rim used as a noun (source: https://www.dictionary.com/browse/rim)

the outer edge, border, margin, or brink of something, especially of a circular object.
any edge, margin, or frame added to or around a central object or area.
the outer circle of a wheel, attached to the hub by spokes.
a circular strip of metal forming the connection between an automobile wheel and tire, either permanently attached to or removable from the wheel.

In short, The term "rim" does not describe the entire wheel assembly.

In the case of cars, the terms wheel and rim are often incorrectly used synonymously. Decorative road wheels are sometimes called "rims", but that is of a shorthand speech form. In actuality, tires are held on wheels by their outer rims. Then the entire wheel must be mounted on the vehicle. It is not possible for any vehicle to ride only on the "rims" no matter how often the term is used or appears on ads, websites, retailers, and other places.

I hope this helps! CZmarlin (talk) 00:39, 12 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You are rationally explaining to me, while pointing to the dictionary, that decorative road wheels are not rims, but this does not help visitors of this page who are looking for information about car rims. Look it up on Google Images, "car rims". Even without the quotation marks you will find pages and pages and pages of chrome rims. Instead of what you did, you could have acknowledged that indeed this article has a shortcoming. And then you could've helped me - for instance with a hatnote - to improve Wikipedia. Do you understand what I'm trying to say? No matter how solid your above explanation was; it was pointless. -143.176.30.65 (talk) 22:51, 13 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi User 143.176.30.65! I appreciate your suggestions to help improve this article. I hope that you -- as well as other visitors to this page -- will indulge themselves to discover the meaning of the word "rim." This is because this article includes a section named "Meaning" that describes the uses of the word "rim" with proper references - not Internet search result counts. In other words, readers of the article will gain information so that they will be guided to the proper articles about wheels for automobiles. You are correct that a Google search will come up with thousands of hits for websites that use the shorthand "rim" as slang for the entire vehicle wheel, but that does not affect the accurate description of "rim" in an authoritative encyclopedia article. Please also check out the following:

What’s the difference between Rim and Wheel? (wheelsasap.com)

Difference Between Wheel And Rim – Explained! (thegrabbable.com)

What is the Difference Between Wheel and Rim? (automobilexyz.com)

What is the Difference Between Rims and Wheels? (wisegeek.com)

These may not be the authoritative sources, but they are targeting casual readers or shoppers. Hope these point out the reasons for correctly describing the rim versus a car wheel for you! Cheers! CZmarlin (talk) 17:24, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]