Talk:Richard Oakes (activist)

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The occupation of Alcatraz Island led to many important changes to Indian Country. Chief among them were —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.41.100.197 (talk) 22:24, 9 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Mike Morgan

I would like to offer evidence to change the section on the death of Oakes to say that the charges against Morgan were dismissed, rather than that he was cleared by a jury. This is not true. Here is my evidence:

"The camp employee was charged with involuntary manslaughter, but charges were later dropped on the grounds that Oakes had come "menacingly toward" him." REFERENCE: Troy R. Johnson, The Occupation of Alcatraz Island: Indian Self-Determination and the Rise of Indian Activism, 1996; New York Times, September 22, 1972.

Here is a link: http://books.google.com/books? id=X7KG3GgZUHoC&pg=PA348&lpg=PA348&dq=mike+morgan+YMCA+involuntary+manslaughter&source=bl&ots=7OZPC6NroX&sig=yDhR2rdmv4ud8j4RGHna99a948E&hl=en&ei=xAE8S-vLBYOyNtL89fQI&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=8&ved=0CBoQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=&f=false

Thanks Bigdatut (talk) 01:49, 31 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I got tired of waiting, so I changed it myself. Bigdatut (talk) 16:59, 4 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. I cited your third resource in the article. Sorry it took so long. On your Troy R. Johnson source, I searched Google Books and it didn't find any reference to 'Michael Morgan'. Since you didn't give a page#, I decided to omit it as a verifying source. However I adding it as a 'Further Reading' resource on the Occupation of Alcatraz page. It has -lots- of info about Richard; it'd no doubt make a useful ref. here. Thanks. Twang (talk) 05:44, 19 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Reads like a hagiography with many gaps; lacks explanations (e.g. around the Alcatraz boat story, or stepdaughter/stairs?) or logical sequencing (travel west after 1963, or after his son was born 1968?). One source gives security warning. Better source might be like this one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.228.72.136 (talk) 05:05, 22 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, like the big unanswered question at the end. How did he die? At 30 years old! —MiguelMunoz (talk) 07:48, 22 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Occupation of Alcatraz Plagiarized?

Hi - The section on the Occupation appear to be copy and pasted directly from this source http://self.gutenberg.org/articles/eng/Richard_Oakes_(activist) include formating issues. I have made this 'accusation" on another page in the past, only to find that there is was some sort of publishing arrangement Librarianhelen (talk) 13:34, 22 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I'm pretty sure it's the other way around and that the content there was sourced from Wikipedia, per the fine print at the bottom of that page. See also the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Mirrors and forks#Acknowledging wikipedia, which talks about the World Heritage Encyclopedia. clpo13_(talk) 19:28, 22 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. Thanks. I ended up figuring that out. Still learning about these mirror sites. It looked strange this morning though. The formatting was off. There was even an stray "return carriage" arrow in the text. Also that entire passage without citations. You can see why I thought something was amiss. Anyway. Its all rewritten pretty nicely now. Good to see that the page is now protected, too. Librarianhelen (talk) 21:14, 22 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Librarianhelen and Clpo13: I've removed that useless citation, which amounts to self-reference, and replaced it with {{cn}}. --Thnidu (talk) 04:02, 23 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. It was useless. Thank you Librarianhelen (talk) 16:20, 23 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

"Assassinated"? or, "How'd THAT Get Into Google's Infobox on Oakes from Our Article?"

Today's Richard Oakes's birthday, and (surprise) Google has a Doodle about him.

The infobox on the Google search page you get when you click the Google Doodle offers this information:

"Richard Oakes
Activist Richard Oakes was a Mohawk Native American activist who promoted the idea that Native peoples have a right to sovereignty, justice, respect, and control over their own destinies. Wikipedia Born: May 22, 1942, New York

Assassinated: September 20, 1972, Sonoma, CA"

(boldfacing mine for emphasis).

Which implies in OUR voice that Mr. Oakes was assassinated when our article shows it was a deadly quarrel, arguably manslaughter, but not an assassination. Nothing in our article says Oakes was assassinated.

Is there any way we can stop Google from putting words like "assassination" in summaries of our articles when they're not in our articles? loupgarous (talk) 21:04, 22 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

That wording used to be in the article but was removed recently. You can alert Google to incorrect data in their infobox thing by clicking the word "Feedback" near the bottom of the box. clpo13_(talk) 21:11, 22 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! As a matter of fact, I just came from doing that as you posted. For other editors interested in engaging Google on their quoting an old version of our article using the word "assassination", here's the URL to provide feedback on that specific error:

https://www.google.com/search?q=Richard+Oakes+activist&oi=ddle&ct=richard-oakes-75th-birthday-5656537195347968&hl=en#duf3=0,duf3-2-12,d3e loupgarous (talk) 21:24, 22 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hagiography

And then a miracle occurred!

The following statement is unsupported:

"As a result of the occupation, the official U.S. government policy of termination of Indian tribes was ended and replaced by a policy of Indian self-determination.[9]"

Note that the reference is to the article from which the statement (and this article) was copied, and that there the statement was unsupported. This is simply hagiography.

If there is any direct link between his actions and ending the termination era, it would be very appropriate to document that. Otherwise, the hagiographic "he did this" dishonors him, the author, and especially all those others who worked hard towards reversing the injustice. See Ada Deer for an individual example, and Indian termination policy for more background. Shenme (talk) 00:32, 23 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

IDC ?

§ Alcatraz occupation includes the paragraph

IDC: “To better the lives of all Indian people” by making “known to the world that we have a right to use our land for our own benefit” through reclaiming Alcatraz “in name of all American Indians by right of discovery.” (Taken from “The Alcatraz Proclamation to the great White Father and his People”).

There's no explanation of "IDC" and nothing that looks relevant on the DAB page IDC. The closest thing I've found in a web search is "NCIDC", the Northern California Indian Development Council. That could very well be what was meant. But since there's no explanation in the article of what it stands for or why it's there, I'm taking it out.

I'm also providing a WP:RS for the text of that proclamation, which is currently unref'ed.

--Thnidu (talk) 03:45, 23 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Who is the anthropologist at San Francisco State University?

Possibly Luis Kemnitzer (ref. 5, original article here). — Preceding unsigned comment added by PaulSutherland (talk • contribs) 19:27, 1 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Reference

NPR's "Latino USA" broadcast an hour-long program on Richard Oakes in November 2018 and re-broadcast on 25 November 2023. Kdammers (talk) 01:59, 26 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]