Talk:Ricardo Bofill

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Describing people with their regionality rather than their nationality

Some users are making changes and reverting edits in order to erase all traces as possible of the real and only nationality of Ricardo Bofill (which is a spaniard) in order to describe him with a regionality (catalonia is a region of Spain).

The users making these changes are of course, of catalan nationalist ideas.

I'm pretty sure readers from Europe will know that if someone is described as catalan, this means he is also spaniard (as the catalan nationality does not exist), but I really doubt people from Australia, Hong Kong or Guam would know this fact.

User Dunadan, for example, keeps saying that, if president Bush is described as texan, that doesn't mean he is not american. That may be true in a colloquial chat, but the encyclopedic tone of wikipedia, demands to describe him as an american citizen.

Unfortunately for user Dunadan, Catalonia is not so well known outside Europe as he wish. So wikipedia has become the "perfect" path to satisfy his political nationalist ego. Pushing his edits to the limits of truth, (Boffil is from the spanish region of Catalonia, but his nationality is spanish), he will, without remorses, describe him as catalan, omitting his only, real and official national identity, which is being a spaniard.

Fortunately, in late times, wikipedia has become for students and people wishing to learn, a marvellous way to improve their knowledge. If we allow these users to alter articles at their political wish, wikipedia's credibility will suffer from it.

For this reason, waiting an admin to state about this, I'm asking good faith users to revert (explaining the reasons for it in the talk page) these kind of edits from this users, which, while not lying, are, on purpose, leading future readers to mistakes about the real nationality of the gentleman described on this article and about the political status of the spanish region of Catalonia.

Thanks and Cheers! --Maurice27 08:52, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's not the same nationality as citizenship. People from Tibet are Tibetan (nationality) and Chinese (citizenship). People from Scottland are Scottish (n.) and British (c.). And people from Catalonia can be from Catalan or Spanish (or both) nationalities (there are people in Catalonia who don't feel Catalan, just as Tony Blair who probably feels more British than Scotish), and they will be probably spanish citizens. Let's add "citizenship" field and we won't have more discussions.--Xtv - (my talk) - (que dius que què?) 00:25, 21 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If we refer to geopolitical fact, the Statute of Catalonia defines Catalonia as a "nationality". On the other hand, pretending Catalonia and its different ideosincrasies don't exist "because they aren't well known in Australia" doesn't strike me as something a web which strives to be "a marvellous way to improve their knowledge", that is, a web which makes things known, would do. 83.36.115.181 (talk) 18:47, 11 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

And I'd like to add: defining Catalonia as a "region" is very politically charged as well. For one, the word "region" is considered kind of offensive in Catalonia (it has Francoist connotations) and even in other parts of the Spanish state it's widely accepted that autonomous communities are more than "regions" - although whether they're nations or not depends on your political colours. Here's the excerpt of the Statute of Catalonia I was citing before, extracted from the English Wikipedia article on the Statute of Catalonia (you'll find a link to the original source there): Catalonia, as a nationality, exercises its self-government constituted as an autonomous community in accordance with the Constitution and with the Statute of Autonomy of Catalonia, which is its basic institutional law. I hope that settles it. 83.36.115.181 (talk) 19:03, 11 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

it is ridiculous to have this discussion here. Ricardo (not Ricard) Bofill was born in Barcelona, but to all effects he could have been born in Madrid or Salamanca. He barely knows how to speak Catalan and never uses it casually or perhaps even professionally, and I don't understand why he should be included as a "Catalan". Bruce Willis was born in Germany, with a German mother, and no one would call him German Walter Sobchak0 (talk) 19:38, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know where are you getting that information, but when I've heard him on TV, Bofill speaks Catalan with a native accent, and if I recall well, his wife is Italian but speaks Catalan fluently. --Jotamar (talk) 21:46, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

His Catalan is as native as can be if you're from Madrid or Montevideo. It is plainly obvious that his mother tongue is Spanish (even if his father's wasn't) and that he only makes an effort to speak Catalan whenever he appears on TV3. Get your facts straight or find someone who can identify Catalan accents for you. Walter Sobchak0 (talk) 11:17, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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