Talk:Rex Ryan/Archive 1

Archive 1

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Record

Ryan has a 9-2 record as the New York Jets head coach in 2010-2011. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.204.69.227 (talk) 01:42, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Height and Weight?

Given Ryan's obesity in light of his job as a coach of fit athletes, it might be worthwhile to give his height and approximate weight in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.44.147.74 (talk) 04:35, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

possible plagiarism

the style of this article is unusual for Wikipedia, but is very similar to the style used in official NFL bios. Specifically, the accomplishments seperated by "...", the trivial nature of some of the personal stuff (honorary board of the maryland special olympics?). I'm not a regular wikipedia editor, just thought i'd point this out because it could cause trouble and seems pretty unprofessional.

140.247.152.206 01:41, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

I am a regular Wikipedia editor, and I agree with above. This article needs major editing. Mwinog2777 (talk) 16:05, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

A 9-7 record translates to a winning percentage of 563, not 562. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.70.139.60 (talk) 16:23, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Picture

Ryan as Ravens assistant coach, August 2008.

There is a picture of Rex Ryan in this article that would make more sense moved to the infobox. 216.163.255.1 (talk) 14:17, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. I think it would be more appropriate for the infobox to use a photo of his head and shoulders (a bust portrait), perhaps a crop of the photo mentioned above.   — Jeff G.  ツ 18:34, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Maybe? I would love to see a current picture of him (i.e. as a Jet), but have had no luck finding one with fair use. --Muboshgu (talk) 18:41, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

I will be attending the Jets-Patriots game in December so I may be able to get a decent shot of Ryan as I will be above the visitors tunnel. However for the time being, I agree with Jeff G perhaps crop the photo. -- The Writer 2.0 ^Talk 00:27, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Take me with you? --Muboshgu (talk) 20:17, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Ha, ha. Sorry, wish I could, we could use some more Jet fans up there to rile the crowd.--The Writer 2.0 ^Talk 20:50, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Seriously? You're actually refusing to relocate a picture of him that's already in the article to the infobox because it's not cropped because there's no consensus? If someone wants to crop the picture or take a better picture of him, that's great, but to ignore this request on those reasons is just asinine. I seriously doubt that anyone would object to the picture being in there at all. It's not a FP quality or anything, but it's not like it's a non-free image or controversial. Give me a break. 216.163.255.1 (talk) 20:12, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Maybe you should read the comment posted right before yours and calm down. I can't crop it at the moment, but I'm sure someone else can. --Muboshgu (talk) 20:17, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

I have cropped it to File:Rex Ryan with Ravens 2008-08-03 crop.jpg and added that to the infobox, in the absence of a better, more current picture compatible with this project's licensing.   — Jeff G.  ツ 05:27, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

In hindsight, it's a good thing I wasn't at that game the other night. Did you get a picture of Rex? --Muboshgu (talk) 21:48, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

I tried, I have to develop the film so it will be a few days before I know if I got a good shot of Ryan. In hindsight, I wish I wasn't there, yikes. -- The Writer 2.0 ^Talk 23:41, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Oh wow, film? That's old school. I was expecting digital. I hope at least one came out well, so something good can come from that atrocious performance. --Muboshgu (talk) 23:45, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Unfortunately, the picture did not come out well. Plus it didn't help that Rex didn't look up. Anyway, we'll just have to use this one for the time being until we can find a better picture. -- The Writer 2.0 ^Talk 22:58, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Tbone0608, 8 December 2010

{{edit semi-protected}} Under coaching career it shows that Rex Ryan was the defensive coordinator at Cincinnati and Oklahoma State (last words of the paragraph). This should be changed to The University of Oklahoma. He was not a coach at Oklahoma State.

Thank you Tbone0608 (talk) 21:39, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

 Done You're right. That was a mistake I've corrected. Thanks for bringing it to our attention. --Muboshgu (talk) 21:46, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Foot Fetish Video

There's been a lot of talk regarding his foot fixation. Shouldn't it be mentioned here?

http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/news/story?id=5946852

According to ESPN:

To be honest, and I get it, I know you need to ask and all that stuff," Ryan told reporters when asked if the situation could snowball into a distraction. "But it's a personal matter and I'm really not going to discuss it, OK?"

Ryan said it was between him and his wife and he would not elaborate beyond that.

69.122.132.127 (talk) 23:03, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Umm.... Can we take a wait and see approach on this? I guess the question is: if the story dies here, should we talk about it? If it develops further we could always add it later. --Muboshgu (talk) 02:02, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

That's fine by me. I will probably, if you excuse the pun, be trotted out if the Jets get the wild card slot. 69.122.132.127 (talk) 16:28, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Just my two cents, this is another non-story that the media has managed to blow way out proportion. So a foot fetish runs in the family? I could think of a lot worse things. -- The Writer 2.0 ^Talk 22:53, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

That being said, is it any less news-worthy than him being over weight or having a G-B operation? 69.122.132.127 (talk) 00:20, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

There is difference between a potentially life-saving surgery and a video that is mere fodder. So, IMHO, yes it is. -- The Writer 2.0 ^Talk 19:43, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Edit request

{{Edit semi-protected}} It needs to say at the beginning that Rex Ryan's brother, Rob Ryan, is the defensive coordinator for the Dallas Cowboys, not the Cleveland Browns.

Actual sentence: He is the son of former Philadelphia Eagles and Arizona Cardinals head coach Buddy Ryan and is the twin brother of Rob Ryan, defensive coordinator for the Dallas Cowboys.

 Done It hadn't been updated since Rob Ryan got his new job. --Muboshgu (talk) 20:47, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Ground and Pound

Article says Rex Ryan "developed" ground and pound. Uh, WTF? Ryan is far from the first coach to use this strategy in the NFL. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.221.64.102 (talk) 12:29, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

As in he developed the strategy for the Jets, it's not talking about the league. By the way, your attitude could use some work (the WTF was unnecessary). -- The Writer 2.0 ^Talk 19:51, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

I've never tried to edit Wikipedia, I don't care enough about this to try and figure that out, but I guess that "ground and pound" did bother me enough for me to care enough to find a place to complain about it. I agree, it looks dumb to have that statement on there. Even if he decided to have a run centric game plan for the Jets, saying he "developed" the ground and pound offense is silly. Every team either runs first to set up the pass, or passes to set up the run, at least theoretically. It's just a catchy name for a run first offense that they use way too much lately in the NFL media. 68.144.96.94 (talk) 02:25, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Not quite sure what you're complaing about. It's already been removed. -- The Writer 2.0 ^Talk 10:59, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Rex Ryan/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Resolute (talk • contribs • count) 18:57, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

General

• Images are good, though I am amused the same picture is used twice.
• Ironically, all of the webcite links appear to be broken. Their ESPN originals are all still live, however. Not sure how you would fix that

  Per their site, webcitation is down due to hardware issues, though since the originals are up I could remove the archives. Wizardman _{Operation Big Bear}

  No worries. The originals are still linked, and if Webcitation will come back, no harm leaving it as is. Resolute 22:41, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

• References themselves are good
• Good on MOS
• No issues with close paraphrasing, OR, NPOV
• Just a thought: perhaps the Coaching philosophy section should be a level 2 header, with the strategy as a level 3 below it? It seems to transcend his NFL career.

Lead

• Need to note the abbreviation NFL after first use of National Football League

Early life

• "Their mother, Doris, decided it was in the best interest of the brothers to send them to live with their father, who was the defensive line coach for the Minnesota Vikings at the time, in the United States." - Awkward sentence with a lot of odd pauses. You've already introduced Doris as being his mother, so there is no need to re-state this fact. Additionally, it stands to reason that if their father works in Minnesota, she sent them to the United States. Perhaps "Doris decided it was in the best interest of the brothers to send them to live with their father, who was the defensive line coach for the Minnesota Vikings at the time."

Coaching career

• "Ryan served as defensive coordinator at Kansas State where he served under legendary head coach Bill Snyder for a month in 1999.[12]" - Can you reword a bit to remove one of the uses of "served"? Also, why did Ryan only coach under Snyder for a month? Did Ryan only last a month at the school (and if so, why), or did Snyder only last one month?
• The end of the college and beginning of the NFL sections bounce around a lot. You note that Ryan goes from college, to the Arizona Cardinals, then back to college for three schools. Then the NFL section goes back to Arizona and is followed by a rehash of the fact that he went back to coach at three colleges.
• "Ryan received a call from newly named head coach Brian Billick of the Baltimore Ravens who wanted to interview Ryan for the defensive line coaching job in Baltimore.[15] Having visited a classroom Ryan was teaching earlier in his career, Billick had been so impressed by Ryan's passion for the game of football that he decided to hire Ryan if he ever attained a head coaching position.[15] When offered the position, Ryan accepted.[15]" - I am impressed you managed to use "Ryan" six times in such close succession.  ;)
• "In Ryan's final year with the team, the defense was ranked second overall in the NFL." - You have noted that Ryan was re-hired by Baltimore in 2007, but with no indication of how much time has passed since, I have no idea when his final year with the Ravens was at this point.
• "The Ravens lost by nine points in the AFC Championship Game against the Pittsburgh Steelers thus ending Ryan's ten year tenure with the team during which the defense never ranked lower than sixth overall in the NFL." - The wording implies that the playoff loss is what led directly to Ryan leaving Baltimore.

New York Jets

• "The team interviewed a host of candidates however, the contract, which was valued at approximately $11.5 million over the course of four years, was ultimately offered to Ryan about an hour following Baltimore's loss to the Steelers in the AFC Championship." - For my own education, was Ryan among those interviewed by the Jets, or did they simply offer him the contract?
• Not a nitpick, but 1. How the hell does a team end up with 0 passing yards, and 2. How is that not a bigger story in the ESPN article? My CFL-wired brain just cannot figure that one out!
• "However, the Jets rebounded to finish 11–5 and qualify as a wild card team in the playoffs." - Small nitpick, not necessarily requiring a change, but going 2-2 in your final four games after a big loss doesn't seem like much of a "rebound".
• "Additionally, the franchise won eleven games, one win short of tying the franchise record set by the 1998 team led by Bill Parcells." - Can you reword to eliminate the duplicate use of "franchise"?

Controversies

• The foot-fetish video thing seems more of a personal life factoid, so it feels remarkably out of place in the middle of his football career. Given how thin the section is, I wonder if it would be better to move the football controversies into the body of his football career, and the family one into his personal life section?
• Page 2 of ref 2 (the huge New York Times article) says that Ryan's middle-finger salute was in response to being spat upon by a fan. I think that is worth noting, as it explains his action. In fact, that article would make a good basis to describe Ryan's personality, which might help flesh out his personal life section. (And totally unrelated, don't you just love it when you set out to write about a person, and you come across a huge, omnibus article like that!?)

Defensive strategy

• "This method has been criticized by ESPN's John Clayton who has found the method to be ineffective league-wide." - again, a slight re-word to remove a duplicate use of "method" would be beneficial

Personal life

• The section opens using his first name, then switches to his last throughout. Given his brother is not mentioned, probably cleaner to just use "Ryan" throughout.
• Given how small the section is overall, is there value to two subsections here? It breaks the section apart a little too much.
• Is it known if Ryan received a degree or diploma from Southwestern Oklahoma State when he attended that school?

Overall

• Looking really good. Mostly just nitpicks and minor wording issues. Should be easy enough to resolve, thus I am placing the article on hold. Cheers! Resolute 18:57, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

I appreciate your review and would welcome any additional feedback you may have! In regards to his switching around between college and the NFL, I felt it was necessary so the reader is not left to wonder where these time gaps are in their respective sections. I'd be happy to make changes if there are any ideas/suggestions. Thanks again! -- The Writer 2.0 ^Talk 20:15, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Have to admit, I'm not sure how to change it. However, everything else seems to be addressed. As such, I am listing the article. Congrats! Resolute 01:44, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

Much appreciated. Thank you for your review! -- The Writer 2.0 ^Talk 03:26, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

Lead image

I forget, but was this the image of Ryan as a Jet that was deleted from Commons as a copyvio? I don't want to bother with it if it was. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:58, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

When I looked at the license for it this is what came up: I don't see why we can't. -- The Writer 2.0 ^Talk 19:52, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

I know that the provided license is acceptable, but I remember we uploaded an image which turned out to have incorrect copyright information. I can't remember if this is the image I'm thinking of. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:38, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

I think it is, if I recall correctly. -- The Writer 2.0 ^Talk 22:03, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

My longing for a freely licensed image of Rex in his sweater vest continues. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:11, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

One day, one day. -- The Writer 2.0 ^Talk 22:14, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

College Playing Career

I have done some research on this and I do not believe that Rex Ryan, or his brother Rob, actually ever played in a varsity college game. If they did, it was only for the 1981 season and I can't find any career stats on either twin. This is a quote from the Southwestern Oklahoma State University athletics web site:

"Both Rex and Rob quit playing football at SWOSU after the 1982 season. Together they transferred to Oklahoma State University before eventually returning to SWOSU and completing course work for their bachelor's degree in physical education in 1987." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.6.105.32 (talk) 19:01, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

I don't know where you saw that on their website but someone's lying. This is from the official press release by the school regarding Rex's HOF induction: "The Ryan brothers played football at SWOSU before completing their bachelor’s degrees in 1986." Besides, the article does not mention games played nor at what level, it just states they were defensive ends for the football team. -- The Writer 2.0 ^Talk 22:31, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

Might want to consider replacing the photo

Since undergoing lap band surgery, as the article points out, Ryan has lost so much weight that the lead photo is no longer an accurate depiction of him. There are many photos around the web that show his weight loss, such as this one: . Please consider replacing the "fat" pic of him. Bucinka (talk) 20:51, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

I do agree that an updated photograph would be more appropriate however, we're also limited in what images we can use including the one you have posted. Please read our image use policy for more information. -- The Writer 2.0 ^Talk 00:25, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

References

Grammar

The last sentence in the third paragraph needs to be corrected for grammar. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.35.101.100 (talk) 15:54, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

• Fixed. Thank you. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:18, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Place of Birth

According to this article, Rex was actually born in Buffalo while father Buddy Ryan was an assistant coach at the University at Buffalo. Further, I followed the links in this article and don't see any confirmation in thos links that he was born in Oklahoma. So which is accurate? Thanks. 24.190.115.182 (talk) 12:33, 13 January 2015 (UTC)Matt

I think you misread. This is the quote from the article: "It's been a long time since he's been here," McNally said, "but he'll tell you that he was born in Buffalo." That's not saying Rex was born in Buffalo but he does have a close connection to the city. Furthermore, here's an excerpt from Rex's book which corroborates with Buddy's timeline in Buffalo and their birth in Oklahoma: "My mom had gone back to Ardmore, Oklahoma, where she grew up, to have us so she could have more help, since my dad was traveling for work...We were born about six weeks early on December 13, 1962, while my dad was on the road trying to recruit players. My mom tried to get a message through, but he was traveling around and the message didn't reach him right away, plus he wasn't expecting us to be born that soon." I hope this clears things up. – The Writer 2.0 ^Talk 13:32, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

WP:WNY FA

Glad to see a 4th FA in WP:WNY. Buffaboy (talk) 04:07, 25 March 2015 (UTC)