Talk:Resist (Within Temptation album)

Genre

I've seen that the genre section on the main infobox is being altered daily, sometimes with realiable references and sometimes not, so I decided to open this section here so we can solve the genre issue once an for all.

I haven't seen any reliable sources labeling the album as Gothic Metal, so I think it might be already discarted, at least for now. The Skinny review labeled the record as Symphonic Metal: https://www.theskinny.co.uk/music/reviews/albums/within-temptation-resist Metal Injection Metal Injection also labeled as Symphonic Metal, but with some regards: http://www.metalinjection.net/reviews/within-temptation-resist The Music called them "Symphonic pop", but I don't even know it that really exists. However, they pointed out EDM and Industrial influences, but not as a whole genre for the album. A lot of other critics pointed out the prominent electronical elements but, as said, just as influences.

So, I think that it should just be labeled there as symphonic metal while we don't have any more references, or also create a footnote for pointing that, although on its basis, it is not a pure SM record and it has several distinct influences - as almost every critic points out. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 10mandown (talk • contribs) 22:36, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

• This is a case of reviewers ridiculously unable to describe music by its sound rather than using the genre label from previous albums, even when the band's genre changed so dramatically over the years. Reputation of "being a X band" replaces actual sound.Beaumain (talk) 10:04, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Resist (Within Temptation album)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: MarioSoulTruthFan (talk · contribs) 19:01, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Infobox

• Needs alt
• The recording years shold be added to the prose as well and them move the reference there
• The same for the genre of the album,
• The label(s), the producer Mathijs Tieken, the recording studios and release date need to be sourced in the body of the article
• The third, fourth, fifth and sixth single need a mention in the promotion section along with chart peaks and awards nominations/wins, if possible
• The release date doesn't mention a specific or various countries in the body of the article

 Done

Lead

• It was scheduled to be released on December 14, 2018,[3] but later postponed to February 1, 2019 due to production problems.[4] → why isn't this on the boyd of the article
• February 1, 2019 → they are a Ducth band so the dates should be DMY and not MDY
• produced by their longtime producer Daniel Gibson. → how about Mathijs Tieken?
• The album marks the longest time gap between the band's releases at five years → add the years below and remove the source from here and add it below if necessary
• at midnight on → remove
• What happened to Mad World? I would remove most of this I would just let the ones with commercial success, but it is up to you
• The album followed the band's pattern of incorporating new musical elements on each release, this time featuring more electronic, pop, and industrial influences. Lyrically, the band opted to focus more on political themes, a subject not explicitly approached by them on previous records. → first paragraph
• It received generally favorable reviews from music critics → develop this idea more with examples and don't forget to metnion the Year-end lists
• entering top ten positions in another seven countries. → entering top ten positions in another countries, such as...
• You should mention the music videos as it seems crucial to the promotion of the album and singles
• You could also menion one or two more things regarding the tour

 Done

Background and composition

• Background and composition → Background
• Add a subsection title "Conception"
• First and second sentence are missing a timeline
• band's sixth album, → put the album name instead as it is the first mention
• The vocalist → She
• My Indigo → add release year between brackets
• kind of songs → tracks
• kind of songs → songs
• As of the end of 2017, → In November 2017,
• September 13 → year?
• her personal problems managed → managed her personal problems
• When finally having a direction to follow → When they finally found a direction to follow
• The album marked the longest gap between studio releases by the band → which was?
• For the writing and musical composition process → everything below this setence should be on the next subtitle
• Den Adel focused on giving the songs atmosphere alongside with producer Daniel Gibson → Den Adel focused on giving the songs "atmosphere" with producer Daniel Gibson
• as she thinks it allow → as she tought it would allow
• Robert Westerholt, on the other side, → On the other hand, Robert Westerholt
• Shaddix first met den Adel during Graspop Metal Meeting in Belgium. → when?
• My Indigo → italics
• After meeting Steverlinck on a Flemish TV show → date?
• possible names, as they prefer to see first what the song asks for and then invite someone who they think would fit well that demand. → possible names. Within Temptation prefer to know what the song asks for, and then invite someone who they think would fit well in the track.

 Done

Structure and inspiration

• Structure and inspiration → Development and composition
• stated that this album has taken pop music as an inspiration while giving it a dark and metal oriented treatment, → stated that the album was inspired by "pop music", with a dark and metal oriented treatment
• and also political aspects → and political aspects
• about whether it would be good for the population, as in cases of national security, or bad, in cases of dictatorships → about whether it would be benefitial for the population, as in cases of national security, or not, in cases of dictatorships
• According to the vocalist, → According to her,
• Nothing was said about the other songs included in the album? I know it was, I read the reviews so please add (The Reckoning, Firelight, In Vain, Supernova...among others)
  • Info on remaining songs updated

It's better, still missed "Endless War" and the order should be the one they appear on the tracklist. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 14:04, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Added info about "Endless War", as well as some info about the other songs. Also corrected the order. 10mandown (talk) 16:13, 13 May 2020 (BRT)

 Done

Artwork

• Artwork → Cover

 Done

Promotion

• Caption of first iamge should read "The album's music videos for "The Reckoning" and "Raise Your Banner" pictured above (which one is which?) feature science fiction themes. The band invested in them as radio stations weren't a realiable way of promoting heavy music nowadays.[11]
• before any recent signs of releasing new material, → before any signs of new material
• Do you need three sources talking about a tour?
• On September 24, the official music video for the first single was officially released → On September 24, the official music video for it was officially released
• A few days later, also Dutch newspaper Tubantia stated → A few days later, the Dutch newspaper Tubantia affirmed
• Boost+ Switzerland → first and only mention on the entire artciel, since they produced the track shouldn't they also be on the infobox?
• The single was officially released on November 16, and was at first accompanied by a lyric video → The single was released on November 16, 2018, accompanied by a lyric video
• The official music video for the song was then released on November 30 → Its official music video was released on November 30
• As the band noted the difficulty of having radio airplay with the kind of sound present on the album, they opted to invest more on the music videos as a way of promoting, obtaining people's attention and expressing visually the concepts present on the record → the same as in the first image, so remove

 Done

Tour

• Reference 39 is completly dead → look for it on the archives or find a replacement
• decision to stay more time at home in order of being more present on her children's life → decision to spend more time at home to be more present on her children's life
• the tour dates were elaborated here → where is "here"?
• North America at the beginning of the following year, with In Flames as special guests → North America. It began in 2019, with In Flames as special guests
• decided to also cancel → decided to cancel

 Done

Reception

• The album currently holds a score of 67 at the aggregate review site Metacritic, indicating "generally favourable reviews → Resist received generally favorable reviews from music critics. Based on five reviews, the review-aggregating website Metacritic gave the album received an average score of 67
• The first public review of the album came from British webzine Devolution. Reviewer Gary Trueman → Reviewer Gary Trueman writing for British webzine Devolution
• Not every reviewer, however, was positive and welcoming of the musical changes. → On the other hand,
• AllMusic's James Monger had an in between position regarding these topics in his lukewarm review, and summarized → AllMusic's James Monger gave Resist a lukewarm review, stating
• Add other reviews such as PopMatters and Daily Express

 Done

Critics' lists

• Change the name of the section to "Accolades"
• If metal injection doesn't have a wikipage, then don't redirect it to the website
• I would rather have a summary here with some reasoning (why it was included in the lists) by the critics than the table

 Done

Commercial performance

• album Hydra → release year between brackets
• The Heart of Everything → same as preivous
• the previous studio album → Hydra
• selling an equivalent of 92% from the first position sales → and the first sold 100% ,this means nothing, please remove
• fifteen → 15 (from numbers above 10 use the figures)
• number one hundred twenty nine → 129
• thirteenth → 13
• This trending of achieving more sales with physical albums rather than stream and digital sales → it's not a trend "It also sold more physical albums when compared to its digital sales and streams"
• twenty second position on the overall charts, it reached the eleventh position → 22 position on the overall charts, it reached the 11 position
• Source for the french charts is dead
• You should use in the last couple of paragraphs the sources from the weekly charts

 Done

Track listing

• I need a source for the deluxe edition and the credits of the standard. Discogs is not a reliable source

• Replaced

 Done

Personnel

• Since there are more than 10 names, I wouls suggest two collums
• Missig source from liner notes
• Use {{spaced ndash}}

 Done

Weekly charts

• Missing notes for the dates and respective charts

 Done

Monthly charts

• Same as previous

 Done

Year-end charts

• Fine

References

• No shouting in the references (this means no ALL CAPS)
• Reference 28 and 39 are dead
• Either wikilink every work/publisher once in their first appearence or wikilink it all the time
• Some works/publishers are not well formated such as Youtube, Heavy Music HQ, sputnikmusic, Rock Antenne
• Publishers → AllMusic, Metacritic, Ultimate Guitar, RTL Nieuws, and La Grosse Radio, among many others...

 Done

• Some sources are missing either work/publisher, author, date...
• Dates and accessdate are pourly formated /some are in (YMD, while others are in DMY)
• goddessesofmetal, CRYPTIC ROCK, metal injector and DONTTEARMEDOWN → are unreliable source, please remove and replace if possible by more reliable sources. In this case Sputnikmusic is not a reliable source since the author is not part of the staff or an emeritus member
• Language, when it is not english, is missing in several french, dutch and german sources

New comment Reference 26 and 27 are no in english, add the language; reference 5 is missing an accessdate + wikilink, 6 is missing work, 7 is not publisher but work "Consequence of Sound", what is this "Bd.nl."?, hmv → HMV + publisher, Rockmetal.pl → Rockmetal + publisher, you are still missing several authors, reference 38 is missing wikilink, YouTube → publisher, the year-end listst have authors as well. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 14:34, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Fixed the dates, accessdates and the other issues listed. Refs 26 and 27 are with language (German) already add. Some publications, however, don't give credits to the respective article authors, such as Blabbermouth.net and Metal.de. 10mandown (talk) 16:15, 13 May 2020 (BRT)

 Done

Overall

• No release history?
• Spinefarm Records → publisher

 Done

Update

Hello, MarioSoulTruthFan. All of the recommended changes are done. Please let me know if there's still something you find worth of improving.

I already saw some discogs sources, remove them and replaced them by reliable ones. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 20:00, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Sources replaced 10mandown (talk)18:32, 12 May 2020 (BRT)

I'm not sure what is going on but the Billboard sources for the album peaks are broken, you need to find the artchive for them. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 22:21, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

I'm not sure either, only the artist page seems broken, as the album still appears on the pages of the respective charts. References changed. 10mandown (talk) 20:06, 12 May 2020 (BRT)

You have to change for every for Canadian Billboard and the respective genre charts of Billboard and don't forget album sales. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 23:50, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Changed both Billboard Rock and Hard Rock references for the ones convering their respective peak weeks on the charts, as well as the Canadian reference and the album sales one in the "Commercial performance" section. 10mandown (talk) 22:55, 12 May 2020 (BRT)

 Done

I applied some chages to the article between your edits and recently. Please take a look at them and let me know if you are ok with the changes. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 19:50, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Just checked, and I'm ok with all of them. The paragraph changes in "Development and composition" made the section way better now, thanks. 10mandown (talk) 17:10, 13 May 2020 (BRT)