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Maybe this article can remain separate (for emphasis) . . .

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One editor wants to merge it to Freemasonry and another editor doesn't, for now. Why not do more with it here, not merging? Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 03:54, 4 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

What are you talking about? There's no reason to merge this article. MSJapan (talk) 15:41, 4 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Now I get it. However, I think we need a detailed discussion to get to the bottom of this, so let's start a new section below. MSJapan (talk) 15:56, 4 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"Masonic Research"

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This "article" was a redir created back in '05 by an LTA user. nobody knew about it, and it sat until User:Doyleclark turned it into an opinion piece on how to do Masonic Research. WP is not a howto. Moreover, the claim was made that "Masonic Research is the most popular thing for Masons to do besides charity work", which is not only subjective, but utter nonsense. Therefore, I redirected it here until such time as something decent can be created. User:Charles Edwin Shipp has indicated that there is some utility to it, so I think a good starting point is to see what he has to say and if any of it is workable. MSJapan (talk) 15:56, 4 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I think I need to insert a clarification here, just so everyone understands what occured...
MSJapan is talking about an article entitled "Masonic Research" that was essentially Doyleclark's opinion on "how to"... MSJ has "merged" that article into this one, by redirecting that article's title to here (this being the closest in scope). None of the content of that article was transferred to this article, however... because the content was so obviously Original research. I agree with this redirect/merger Blueboar (talk) 18:37, 4 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
On a side note... re: what is "most popular"... I would be interested to know if anyone has done a study of event attendance records... From my experience the most popular events are those that focus on building good fellowship and a sense of Brotherly love and affection (example: a nice dinner, with good food, good wine, good conversation and perhaps a few SHORT speeches). Of course this is not the "most important" thing about Freemasonry (Freemasonry is about so much more than just good fellowship)... I am merely noting that such events do tend to be very well attended (ie popular).
On the redirect - I would think masonic research and lodge of research are two different things, neither to be confused with a daily advancement in masonic knowledge. I would say masonic research is anything pertaining to research into freemasonry, either by an indervidual, university (like http://freemasonry.dept.shef.ac.uk/index.php?lang=0&type=toc&level0=241 ) , incorporated entiy (like http://www.fraternalsecrets.org/ ) or lodge ,while lodge of research (here at least) is only a charted (and hence closed) group of freemasons united under a warrent issues by a GL discussing or reaearching Freemasonry. Also, while a study circle such as http://www.oocities.org/hrcsec/ might be comprised of freemasons, it is not a lodge per say, having no warrent. Hence, redirecting Masonic Research to this artilce does not tick all the boxes and the terms are not interchangeable.Melbournemason (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 04:57, 10 April 2012 (UTC).[reply]


Blueboar (talk) 16:31, 4 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 23 November 2015

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Moved. (non-admin closure) Natg 19 (talk) 01:36, 30 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]


Research Lodge → Research lodge – Recently moved without discussion and a request to revert was made at RM/TR which I actioned as a purely procedural decision. On reading the article, I do not think the title is a proper noun which, if others agree, means it should be decapitalised per WP:NCCAPS. Pinging potentially interested editors, MSJapan, Philg88, Chicbyaccident. Jenks24 (talk) 10:54, 23 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.
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