Talk:Remedios Varo/Archive 1

Archive 1

Remedios Varo Uranga vs. Remedios Varo

I have searched high and low for another example where Remedios Varo is referred to as Remedios Varo Uranga. The only other place I found this usage was at artnet.com, which is not a definitive source. None of the official biographies I have seen use the name Uranga. Uranga was her mother's name, so it is possible for her to be referred to colloquially as Remedios Varo y Uranga, but that is not how she referred to herself, nor was it her official name. Remedios Varo signed her letters and paintings as Remedios Varo. As you can see, here, the name on her passport is Remedios Varo. One of the better known experts on her work, Whitney Chadwick, refers to her only as Remedios Varo in her book, "Women Artists and the Surrealist Movement". I am open to the possibility that Varo reclaimed her mother's name at some point, but I cannot find any evidence of or reference to that fact. If someone knows of such evidence, please contact me and I will put Uranga back at the end of her name. For now, I am removing it.--Axiomatica 23:29, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

I read in "unexpected journeys" by Janet Kaplan and the "reasoned Catalogue" (which covers her entire work, that her name was María de los Remedios Varo y Uranga

Many non-Spanish-speakers do not realize that Spanish naming customs are quite different than most other European systems. In Spanish-speaking countries, you have two surnames: your father's and your mother's, and you don't change surnames when you marry. It's not a question of "reclaiming" or not. Some people make a point of saying and writing both names always, some leave the second (maternal) surname off but for brevity they still obviously have one. For instance, Penélope Cruz' full name is Penélope Cruz Sánchez, but neither form is incorrect. The convention throughout Wikipedia seems to be to show just the paternal surname in the article title, but to use the full name in its first use in the article.Danfeder (talk) 21:06, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

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"Unexpected Journeys" was originally published in 1988, not 2000. 12.73.220.243 19:47, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

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I find this pasage:

"In Mexico, she came under the influence of the primitive art of pre-Columbian cultures"

to be racist. Using the term primitive in reference to native peoples is both false and ofensive. Zigbigadoorlue 06:51, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

The word "primitive" has been removed.--Axiomatica 23:29, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

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The sections 'Interpretations to her body of work' and 'Varo's legacy' do not cite any sources and seem to make several assumptions without illustrating any real proof. In particular, the 'Varo's legacy' section devolves into a social critique on the role of women in surrealism and art history, going far off-topic without including any sources or citations. Clearly a lot of subjective personal opinion has made it's way into this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.10.11.217 (talk) 21:07, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

No citations

While this page is well written and includes a number of fairly serious looking sources, it contains absolutely no citations, and reads like original research. This page seriously needs to be overhauled.

76.78.119.38 (talk) 01:48, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Girona

It is interesting that she was born not far in time and space from Dalí and both were some of a surrogate for a deceased sibling. --Error (talk) 22:44, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Anarchism

The first line of this entry makes reference to Varo being an "anarchist" but does not cite this or explain further. It deserves both. Danfeder (talk) 21:06, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Planned Edits

Lead

It needs to be made more concise and shorter. Move certain information into other sections. Also sentences need to be reworked to fix the prose. I would not specifically add anything to this section but rather remove proses.

Early Life

Specifically add from Zamora about her birth and her life in Spain and her moving to Madrid at age 17 to study art at the Academia de San Fernando. Talk about her moving to Paris for the Year, marrying her husband. Use the citation from Zamora.

Formative Years

Talk specifically about her life in Paris when she moved there with her husband after he fled Spain because he was an anarchist. Explain because her move to France she became involved with the Surrealist circle there. Also explain her strong connection with mysticism, animalistic faith and her connection to nature, this was apart of her formative years. Cite Kaplan

Career beginnings/ Early artistic life

Explain her move to France. Her early works in France and describe the works. Use Hayes to cite. Explain her move to Mexico and her strong influences during her time in Mexico

Career

Europe- Explain and decipher between her two times in France, the year by herself and the time she lived there with her husband. Explain any of the influence that Europe had on her. Use Kaplan and Zamora.

Mexico- This is a crucial part that needs to be added. I needs to be explained that in the late 40s early 50s she became known in Mexico. Did not resume painting until 3 years after settling and did not exhibit work for another for another 9 years. In the beginning she worked as a commercial artist to absorb Mexico's culture. He works are extremely well-know in Mexico and not the rest of the world

Major Influence

Philosophical influence- Needs to talk about her connection with nature and her animalist faiths that influence her. Also, explain how surrealism is engrained in male perspective and she was influenced by presenting females strongly.

Interpretation of Work

Explain the symbolism found in her specific artwork. Also, explain how she depicts herself in many of her works. She Painted herself symbolically in pictures, heart shaped face, almond eyes, and long nose ( didn’t matter if it was male of female). Cite Kaplan

Varo Legacy

Add more information about the retrospective exhibition with more than 50 works of hers at that National Museum of Women in the Arts. Explain how all of the works of Varo are in a private collection, and most of the legacy is in Mexico and not really exposed to outside of Mexico because of how private the paintings are held. Cite Zamora, Kaplan

Selected List of works

Talk about Mimesis 1960 in detail use picture Unexpected Presence, Celeestial Pablum, Leaving the Pyschoanalyst, Exploration of the Sources of the Orinoco Rive, Solar Music, Harmony, Still Life Reviving. Cite Kaplan

Sources for Edits

Hayne, Deborah J. “The Art of Remedios Varo: Issues of Gender Ambiguity and Religious Meaning.” Woman's Art Journal, Vol. 16, No. 1 (Spring - Summer, 1995), pp. 26-32. Woman’s Art Inc. (Accessed 10.2307/1358627). http://www.jstor.org/stable/1358627.

Kaplan, Janet A. “Remedios Varo.” Feminist Studies, Vol. 13, No. 1 (Spring, 1987), pp. 38-48. Feminist Studies, Inc. DOI: 10.2307/3177834, http://www.jstor.org/stable/3177834

Kaplan, Janet A. “ Remedios Varo: Voyages and Visions.” Woman's Art Journal, Vol. 1, No. 2 (Autumn, 1980 - Winter, 1981), pp. 13-18. Woman’s Art Inc. (accessed 10.2307/1358078) http://www.jstor.org/stable/1358078

Zamora, Lois Parkinson. “The Magical Tables of Isabel Allende and Remedios Varo” Comparative Literature, Vol. 44, No. 2 (Spring, 1992), pp. 113-143. Duke University Press/University of Oregon (Accessed 10.2307/1770341), http://www.jstor.org/stable/1770341

Jengoldberg315 (talk) 19:04, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

The edits you suggest are good. I would think about some other, smaller things too.

• Like you said the introduction section is way too long, it also seems to have a lot of unnecessary and/or misplaced information. I would clean that up a lot.
• There are two places that are cited as her place of birth. One in the article itself and another in the basic information under the title picture.
• In the early life section some information is repeated, make sure everything is said only once or it gets tedious to read.
• some of the internal wikipedia links don't actually have articles for example - Josep-Lluis Florit. Check these just in case.
• I would add more pictures. This is an article about an artist I would like to see some examples of her art if possible.
• If possible adding some of the English titles of her works might be nice. I for one don't know Spanish and I think the title of a piece often says a lot about it.

SarahBatya (talk) 16:26, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

I think that you made wonderful edits to the article. I see your attention to cleaning up the format of the article in general, the article is separated into helpful sections between the difference parts of her life. I think that the information that was added was helpful and lacking prior to the edits. Though information on Varo may be somewhat challenging to gather I believe you organized it and integrated it into the article beautifully. I appreciate the two sections 'Europe' and 'Mexico', I think that it is helpful to separate her career geographically as it helps situate the reader by being able to section apart the different parts of her career geographically. Though I believe that more photos would enhance the page, great job! SFerbank (talk) 17:39, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

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Original Research

Remarks such as "exposing the dynamic of superiority that is inherent in male surrealist’s misuse of women as muses" and "the characteristic misogynist treatment of women artists by the male surrealists" don't seem very encyclopedic tbh, especially when unsourced, and appear to be the opinions of editors? —Ashley Y 01:19, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

This section appears to originate with these edits by User:Zza1978. I'm not sure what should be saved of it. —Ashley Y 01:28, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

I removed all of those lines about how male surrealists didn't think women could draw; the way it was written was just absurd and sounded like it came from someone's college paper and not an encyclopedia. I narrowed it down to a few lines about her artwork that seem verifiable, but they will still need citations.Lcduke (talk) 22:03, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

Wasn't this bit sourced:

"Later in her career, Varo’s characters developed into her emblematic androgynous figures with heart-shaped faces, large almond eyes, and the aquiline noses that represent her own features. Varo often depicted herself through these key features in her paintings, regardless of the figure's gender."

Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:30, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

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