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This article is substantially duplicated by a piece in an external publication. Since the external publication copied Wikipedia rather than the reverse, please do not flag this article as a copyright violation of the following source:
The Official Red Skelton site has evidently been building up their biography section. Some of the recently added content duplicates material on Wikipedia. Evidence suggests it evolved here nature. First, we can compare what their "radio" page looked like in October 2013 to what it looks like now and see that in the past several months, the content has changed substantially. We see evidence of the natural evolution of that content in Wikipedia. For instance in April 2011, information on Skeleton being censored is added here by an IP. Note that this content is very different than it would become (and then it is presented in the external site) - the first two sentences are there, but the rest is not. The sentence "Comedian Bob Hope was also given the same treatment once he began referring to the censoring of Allen" and following came into the article the following Month, with this edit, but there's still a substantial difference in the preceding text, with "NBC silenced Red and Rod for 15 seconds." This became "They were silence for 15 seconds" as it is now and is it in the official site about a week later, here, as part of some general copy-editing. It is extremely unlikely that this paragraph would have been copied in three waves, with incremental changes; it is far more likely that the external site copied from Wikipedia. For one more example of naturally evolving text, information on his loss of deferment entered first on 22 May at 16:44. Minor grammatical changes that made the content more like the external site ([1]) as did substantial text additions ([2], [3]). The sections have other signs such as this that make it very unlikely that the copying is them to us. --Moonriddengirl(talk)21:53, 24 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
This article is substantially duplicated by a piece in an external publication. Since the external publication copied Wikipedia rather than the reverse, please do not flag this article as a copyright violation of the following source:
Hollywood Chamber of Commerce (ca. 2014), Red Skelton{{citation}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)
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Here is another case where an external site is publishing content similar to our own - the Hollywood Chamber of Commerce has an explicit copyright tag on this page - where evidence suggests that it evolved here naturally. The site is flagged 2014, and 2014 is the oldest current archive for the page (see). Beyond this, there is evidence of natural evolution of this content all the way back to the creation of this article in 2003. This is the lead of the external site:
Red Skelton was an American comedian who was best known as a top radio and television star from 1937 to 1971. Skelton's show business career began in his teens as a circus clown and went on to vaudeville, Broadway, films, radio, TV, night clubs and casinos, all while pursuing another career as a painter.
We see the lead sentence, starting with "Bernard Richard "Red" Skelton (July 18, 1913 - September 17, 1997) was an American comedian who started in vaudeville as a teen-ager, worked his way up to Broadway shows, secondary roles in MGM movies, radio performances and finally popularity in the early days of TV." placed in Wikipedia in June 2003. This had only minimal changes for years, when an IP rewrote the lead on 9 January 2006, to introduce what made Skelton notable in the lead:
This is clearly moving to be more similar to the external site, but is still very different. This sat for some months until this edit on 10 July 2006 changed it to:
Again, a change that brings it closer to the source. Later the same day, a different editor modified that to read:
Richard Bernard "Red" Skelton...was an American comedian who was most well known as a radio and television star from 1937 to 1971. Skelton's show business career began in his teens as a circus clown and went on to vaudeville, Broadway, films, radio, TV, clubs and casinos, while also pursuing another career as a painter.
A minute later, he changed "most well known" to "best known" and added "top" to the description. At this point, the lead in our article is the same as the lead in the external site, but the information on his early life differs substantially. We see that evolving gradually and naturally as well, with edits such as this, this and this. Just as with the source above, we have to conclude from these signs of natural evolution that the content was created here on Wikipedia by multiple people and taken as a source by the website that also publishes the text - perhaps unaware that use of Wikipedia content without attribution is a violation of license. (See WP:Reuse.) --Moonriddengirl(talk)23:55, 28 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
first screen appearance:1930? UNDER THE COCKEYED MOON rpf16mm?
Skelton's paintings of clowns(of which I have one) were exclusively sold at galleries in the Riviera Hotel in Las Vegas and the Don Cesar Hotel in Saint Petersburg Beach,Florida.
One story you don't mention t hat I've heard repeated many times is that when Skelton's son was diagnosed with leukemia,he decided to personally inspect his finances for the first time in years to see how much time he could afford to take off.
He discovered his business manager(no longer his first wife) had been robbing him blind and had cashed the boy's life insurance policy for himself.It took several people to hold Red back from throwing the man off a high balcony of the Sands Hotel. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.23.5.11 (talk) 12:50, 21 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
In the Biography / Early Years section, a sentence about Red's father is followed by the sentence: "His birth certificate surname was that of his father's stepfather." In this sentence, does "his" refer to Red or to his father? rowley (talk) 23:58, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
When Red appeared in Saskatoon, Canada, in the 1980s he gave a press conference where he talked about his daily writing, composing and painting routine (cited in this article from a 1967 interview). He also mentioned publishing many of his short stories privately (I think he said something about selling the books at his shows). This article does list several book releases (including some from the time period of the press conference), but I wonder if there were more? 136.159.160.121 (talk) 17:12, 30 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Well, take a look at it. There's a considerable amount of detail, but some of it even then seems to have been invented by Skelton himself...or perhaps more by credulous wikipedians who couldn't recognize a joke. On the whole it's not that bad, but some of the material added since was OK, and there's only so much baby that should go out with the bathwater. Qwirkle (talk) 05:13, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
level-5 vital article is rated FA-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale.
