Talk:Red-bodied swallowtail

Atrophaneura vs. Pachliopta

I think this genus should be moved to Pachliopta. According to Lepindex Atrophaneura is a junior synonym. Funet also lists it as Atrophaneura but I believe it is incorrect. Other sources support Pachliopta including Wikispecies. DGERobertson (talk) 01:35, 3 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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My main source is the deptartmental phylogeny server, which runs off the Lepsys database and a number of public sequence databases including the NCBI FASTA repository. The Lepsys does contain some errors, but if neither the curated NCBI taxonomy, nor the curated Uniprot, nor funet, nor tolweb, nor the Leptree, nor GloBIS/GART directly contradict it (and in this case none of them does) then the result is usually safe to run with.

I know the Lepindex is widely considered the one true source of Lepidoptera names, but large parts of it are a decade out of date. I was aware of the fact that Lepindex disagrees with me on P./A. kotzebuea, but the index card in question is from 2003, which means it predates Tsao & Yeh 2008. Tsao & Yeh disproved a large portion of what we thought we know about Pachliopta and Atrophaneura phylogeny and I don't think we should consider anything older than this paper conclusive proof of anything.

I do try to err on the side of too much discussion rather than that of too little; sorry if I wasn't trying hard enough in this case. :) Cheers. Noym (talk) 03:37, 27 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. I will start changing the articles to match. I have no vested interest in either name. I just like consistency, whenever possible. Cheers. Dger (talk) 00:02, 28 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Split?

Not sure why three genera are listed on one page now. Shouldn't there be pages for all of the genera that are now recognised? The current one page article is somewhat confusing with regard to synonymy on a generic level, i.e. there is a list of synonyms, but what are they a synonym of? Furthermore, we have articles on all other genera, so for the sake of consistency, we should split this one up I guess.. Ruigeroeland (talk) 14:56, 5 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have no objection to either format, the current format is the preference of User:AshLin. The advantage is that if any taxonomical change was made in the future, it would be easier to reorganise. The problem of synonymy occurred to me. Actually Trogonoptera, Troides and Ornithoptera are all sharing article Birdwing. I've never been sure whether I liked that or not. It's probably more convenient, but if you're chasing consistency, maybe both articles should be split. Ypna (talk) 00:34, 6 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Both could indeed be split and referred to in disambiguation when a user searches red-bodied swallowtail and birdwing (butterfly), i.e, "...is any of the butterflies in the following genera:". Just a visitor's note though. Snjón (talk) 01:09, 6 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]