Talk:Raptor persecution

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 23:13, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

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• ... that in Scotland the common raven is given honorary raptor status as a bird of prey? Source: https://www.scottishraptorstudygroup.org/scottish-raptor-monitoring-scheme/
  • Comment: I hope this is suitable.

Created by Melissa Highton (talk). Self-nominated at 10:51, 3 March 2022 (UTC).

• Melissa Highton, the hook needs to have wikilinks (at least one) and the link to the target article, Raptor persecution, needs to be in bold font. If you want to have quote marks in the hook, you need to use proper quotation marks. With regards to the hook fact, it's the Scottish Raptor Study Group that assigns the honorary raptor status. To me, it's a bit far-fetched to thus say "that in Scotland, the common raven is given" this status. Beyond that, the article is new, long enough, suitably referenced, neutral. The sentence "Wind turbines are an increasing feature in rural areas and raptors have been struck or killed by the circling blades." is word-for-word from this source and needs to be reworded. The sentence "... the common raven is given 'honorary raptor ' status as a bird of prey by virtue of its ecological similarity to raptors" is also too close to this source, where it reads: "Because of its ecological similarity to raptors, the common raven is given honorary status as a bird of prey". It seems this is your third DYK so no PQP QPQ is required. Schwede66 21:33, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

• Melissa Highton, you haven't responded here in nearly two weeks. Are you still pursuing this DYK? Schwede66 21:14, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

• Thank you , I didn't know what pqp is, so I was waiting until my next training session to ask. Melissa Highton (talk) 08:52, 16 March 2022 (UTC) moved to here from Talk:Raptor persecution on 21 March 2022

• Sorry, my mistake. That should have read QPQ; see WP:DYKCRIT. Schwede66 02:11, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

• I also wonder if the hook could be reworded. The current bolded link seems to be an easter egg link which tends to be discouraged in hooks. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:50, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

I took a look at this, after discussion with Melissa. Here's an idea for an alternative hook:

• ALT1 ... during the COVID-19 pandemic, there was a raptor killing spree in the UK? Source: National Geographic

Andrew🐉(talk) 15:03, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

• ALT2 ... raptor persecution is a crime against birds of prey and in Scotland, ravens are afforded honorary raptor status? Source: Scottish Raptor Study Group. Stinglehammer (talk) 15:09, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

• The substantial issues that I raised 22 days ago (copyvio and close paraphrasing) have yet to be responded to by the nominator. Schwede66 15:59, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
• changes made on 3rd of March included the copyright , emboldening and quote marks, but we are still working on the words in the hook. Melissa Highton (talk) 16:15, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
• ran the text of the article [Copyvio] and any close paraphrasing seemed negliglible/related to Proper Nouns of organisations/legal terms. Stinglehammer (talk) 16:59, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

• That may well be so, Stinglehammer, but I’m not watching the article. I have this nomination template on my watchlist and can go back and perform DYK checks once I’ve been told that issues raised have been addressed. With regards to ALT2, could you please fix formatting and style so that it can be considered? Schwede66 17:13, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
• Sure, have amended now. Stinglehammer (talk) 17:23, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

• ALT2 is good to go now that copyvio and close paraphrasing have been addressed. Hook fact checks out. I've added a comma to that hook and wikilinked raven (happy for it to be unlinked again if it's thought of as too common a word). I've struck ALT0 and ALT1 for clarity. ALT1 could also be considered as the hook fact checks out but not as currently written in simple past, as that implies that the COVID-19 pandemic is over; this would most certainly result in a report at WP:ERRORS. I'd be happy to consider a modified ALT1 as well if that's desired but you'd also need to add the source stated here to the article, or point me to one of the sources already in the article that confirms the fact. Schwede66 19:28, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

Background

I don't see how the background section fits the article. The article is about a crime specific to the UK. Without showing that raptor persecution is also a crime in those other societies, it seems inaccurate to use those societies' practices as background. Gvros8 (talk) 20:55, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

It would be great to get some more international content and context. I am sure it is not only a crime in the UK, but the crimes are very context specific. I can change 'background' to 'context' and hope more people will add content in? Or we could start sections for other countries? Melissa Highton (talk) 15:00, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Melissa Highton, we already have a page on this topic – please see Talk:Raptor conservation#Proposed merge of Raptor persecution into Raptor conservation. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 18:14, 5 April 2022 (UTC)