Talk:Randa Jarrar

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Lead Section

I am working on a Randa Jarrar (start class) article for a class project. So far, I have edited a bit of lead section and divided the body in several sections with different naming criteria. What I am going to do now is start editing lead section first and moves from there. I will definitely be going to add more information about the author for each section without fixing much of information what others have provided. I will try to prevent the plagiarism and try to put the citation in a correct way but if i did not do well, please comment me right away and I'll respond it quickly to fix. And I still need a lot of help but I will do my best to bring the article's class in upper level. Thank you all. Kimna4 (talk) 00:44, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Working bibliography

Randa Jarrar| Official IMEU website. (2014, May 28). Retrieved July 28, 2015, from http://imeu.org/article/randa-jarrar-author-and-professor
Kassab, R. (2009, August 31). Review: Erasing the borders in "A Map of Home" Retrieved July 28, 2015, from https://electronicintifada.net/content/review-erasing-borders-map-home/3555
Yaman. (2009, September 9). Randa Jarrar discusses her novel, A Map of Home Retrieved July 28, 2015, from http://www.kabobfest.com/2009/09/interview-with-randa-jarrar-author-of-a-map-of-home.html
Jarrar, Randa. (2012, May 14). Randa Jarrar: Imagining Myself in Palestine Retrieved July 28, 2015, from https://www.guernicamag.com/daily/randa-jarrar-imagining-myself-in-palestine/
Minkara, A. (2015, April 26). Randa Jarrar maps home Retrieved July 28, 2015, from http://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/artsandculture/2015/4/27/randa-jarrar-maps-home
Cariello, Marta. (2014). Coming of Age in the Solitude of the Lost Land: Randa Jarrar’s A Map of Home Retrieved July 28, 2015, from http://booksandjournals.brillonline.com/content/journals/10.1163/15692086-12341266

Kimna4 (talk) 16:28, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Edit Request: Birth date

Birth date is listed on her Twitter account (now private, but birth date showing) as January 4. Based on this reference, and the 1978 reference, she was born in Chicago on January 4, 1978 and is 40 years and 3 months old at this time. Please pdate w/birth date. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:2527:8899:C40D:1F0A:590:97A9 (talk) 19:31, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Her article existed prior to the April 2018 controversy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.83.102.21 (talk) 23:50, 18 April 2018 (UTC) No problem if the page stays though I don't think this individual merits it based on her importance. However, the page's existence before her viral hate rants does not justify the page's existence ... that justification IMO is only made on the merit of her books which appear noting more than a hate-filled published blog that has garnered some rewards from those with agendas who would value this.[reply]

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Change "the mental health crisis center continued to receive between 50 to 70 calls per minute." to "the mental health crisis center continued to receive between 50 to 70 calls per hour." per the AZ Central the unit of time is incorrect, it is per hour, not per minute. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sebbarre (talk • contribs) 16:00, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Done with thanks, NiciVampireHeart 16:15, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Change "As of April 2018, she was on leave from the university" to "Fresno State confirmed that she was on leave from the university at the time the controversial comments were made" per the Fresno Bee source that is already cited. The current wording leaves it ambiguous as to whether she was placed on leave as a consequence of her speech.

Done L293D (☎ • ✎) 01:10, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion request

Is this page actually notable? It is evidently a class project which describes a professor with a minor number of publications, many of them on social media sites. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Keneckert (talk • contribs) 13:43, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Seconded. Why does this article exist? What contained in this article establishes the subject's noteworthiness? This article doesn't comply with WP:SIGCOV. A sizable portion of the article is also dedicated to a recent incident that does not, in itself, create a presumption of notability. In fact, it reeks of WP:RECENTISM. Simply because a person says words and gets news coverage doesn't mean they deserve a Wikipedia page. GnarlyLikeWhoa (talk) 16:26, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

By the way, I reverted the change which added the PROD tag ([1]), not because I object to it but because the pp tag was accidentally deleted (and the PROD tag wasn't added properly). So feel free to re-add it (you may want to paste it with Ctrl+Shift+V or Cmd+Shift+V to prevent the editor from adding nowiki tags). --ChiveFungi (talk) 16:55, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thirded. I'll re-add the prod tag, as well. Firkin Flying Fox (talk) 01:02, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Fourthed. The problem I have with this page's existence is that her notability is only among her local peers in the faculty and I see absolutely no contributions from her work that merit recognition since the books are often written in a ranting, bitter manner in poor prose. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:2527:8899:2C18:D10:507B:76E1 (talk) 05:37, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Article bias

"UCLA law professor Eugene Volokh stated ironically" using the term ironically seems rather biased. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.68.60.176 (talk) 22:02, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Why does that seem biased? Are you taking the position that the comment was intended to be taken literally? That the professor does not know what the actual term in question is? AlexEng^(TALK) 23:48, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

New Headings

Literally everyone who has visited this article in the last day or two has done so because of Jarrar's comments about Barbara Bush. Since she is now mainly known for her comments, the paragraphs relating to her comments about Mrs. Bush should be consolidated into a single section, rather than creating new sections about different aspects of the public's response, including "Derision of a Nonprofit University Suicide Hotline" which, by the way, means what exactly?

If this article is going to exist (which it shouldn't), then it at least needs to be formatted and written properly. Please discuss. GnarlyLikeWhoa (talk) 22:51, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

should be consolidated into a single section – Fixed. AlexEng^(TALK) 20:31, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Unnecessary Edits

@RRBBLL: Why have you changed every reference to Fresno State to California State University at Fresno (which is officially "California State University, Fresno")? Are you aware that CSUF is commonly and almost exclusively referred to as Fresno State? Are we also changing references of UNESCO to United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organisation? Or, UCLA (in the body of its article) to University of California, Los Angeles? In addition, you've hyperlinked every single mention of the university, which makes for a bizarre looking article.

Aside from this you are making an awful lot of bold and unnecessary revisions, such as making claims that have no citation, formatting changes that are not consistent with WP:MOS, and making header language excessively descriptive. Not to mention you are reverting several edits needlessly. If you would like to make edits that summarily undo another's work, or you wish to introduce broad and unsubstantiated language, then you should open a discussion and reach a consensus IAW WP:CONS. In summary, you appear to be treating this page like it only belongs to you. As a Wikipedia editor you are required to collaborate and reach consensus.

@AlexEng: Care to chime in? GnarlyLikeWhoa (talk) 21:41, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that many of those edits seemed unnecessary. I don't think he's doing anything against the PAGs, per se, so I don't know what to do about it other than fix the issues myself. AlexEng^(TALK) 22:16, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, @AlexEng:, it’s just getting out of control. He has refused to engage in any discussion here, leaving what little comment he is willing to give in edit summaries. The quality of the article has suffered at times because of this breakdown in cooperation.

This isn’t what Wikipedia is about. If it continues I hope you will support me in bringing a complaint against @RRBBLL:. GnarlyLikeWhoa (talk) 00:41, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@GnarlyLikeWhoa: He did contact me on my talk page, so hopefully I can help resolve it there.

AlexEng^(TALK) 00:44, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Recent deletions

@Tomwsulcer: could you please explain why you removed large parts of the article, including notable awards and bibliography under the premise that it is WP:SPAM? In what world is listing an author's bibliography on their page considered advertising? And did you look up any of the awards you "never heard of" before deleting them? AlexEng^(TALK) 18:43, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@AlexEng: they're unsourced. If previous contributors added material to this article without proper sourcing, it is not my duty to hunt down such sources. Basic pillars of Wikipedia: WP:V, WP:RS, WP:ADVERT. Any content restored must be backed up with reliable sources. And awards should be notable and substantial.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 19:46, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Tomwsulcer: All of the awards are notable, as they each have their own article pages (now linked). Bibliographies typically do not require inline citations as they are uncontroversial, but if you feel that there is some doubt that the subject wrote/translated any of the books in the bibliography, could you please throw up some {{Citation needed}} tags rather than blank the section entirely? If you really do think it's WP:ADVERT/WP:SPAM, then could you please link/quote the corresponding sections that align with your reasoning? I am just not seeing the connection myself. Thank you. AlexEng^(TALK) 23:04, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

VANDALISM

The article has been vandalised and probably will continue to be vandalised because of the ongoing controversy caused by Randa Jarr speaking the truth too soon after Barbara Bush's death. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.7.178.18 (talk • contribs)

In situations like these, you can request for the page to be protected at WP:RPP as I've just done. --ChiveFungi (talk) 11:32, 26 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Reaction to the university's response

I tried to include some reliably sourced criticism of the university's response [2] but it was reverted on the basis of: "irrelevant factoid; blackface incident happened at Cal Poly San Luis Obispo, which is a different university and only loosely affiliated with Fresno State." [3].

The article I cited [4] and the text I added, I think, makes it clear that the two universities are part of the same university system and thus it's fair to compare and contrast their different responses to how these two issues were handled. It also highlights the context this event occurred in - a context in which universities protect conservatives who say or do offensive things but punish progressives ("in the face of conservative outrage over controversial leftwing views, colleges are quick to condemn and censor. But when racism, hate speech and pro-fascist views emerge, university presidents regularly declare their unwavering commitment to free speech rights – no matter the content.").

Thoughts? --ChiveFungi (talk) 11:45, 26 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]