Talk:Ramble On/Archive 1

Archive 1

Are We Sure The Lady is the Ring?

There's no source for this. Although it's a popular theory, I can't find any proof for it. I did, however, come across an alternate theory that the whole song is actually about Aragorn and his decades-long search for Arwen. Lending credence to this theory is that Plant's dog was named Strider, after Aragorn. 2601:C:4200:114:F8B3:3515:897:91C5 (talk) 09:57, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Boston Tea Party

Played at the boston tea party

I had a bootleg album of a performance in Boston,it was either 69 or 70.Anyways,"Ramble On" was played and in the middle of the song they(Zeppelin)break into "For What It's Worth" by Buffalo Springfield.

Chance Genre

This song is Hard Rock but it is also Folk Rock. --Italodal (talk) 04:46, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

You need to state your verifiable references... propose genre changes on the talk page (not declare them)... and wait for discussion and consensus before tampering with the genre field of any article on Wikipedia. The Real Libs-speak politely 10:40, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Plastic rubbish bins

Hes patting his knees, not hitting a plastic rubbish bin. It says in the book dazed and confused. http://books.google.com/books?id=vbATNlX8128C&pg=PA38&lpg=PA38&dq=Ramble+On+what+is+john+bonham+playing+in+the+beginning&source=bl&ots=33PVIqFPY4&sig=VgTvSxozS0YFY-SHYP1GW8veQyc&hl=en&ei=Wam7TL31Jou4sQOR-ZHqDg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CBsQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q&f=false —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.183.151.247 (talk) 01:57, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

Sound Clip for the article

Just wanted to say, to whomever put the sound clip there, that it's a great choice in the song. Well done! --Leahtwosaints (talk) 16:49, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Stairway To Heaven and LoTR

The article said that Stairway to Heaven also referenced Lord Of The Rings, but it doesn't... at least not directly. Shenkerism (talk) 23:09, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Folk rock

The genre folk rock was removed because the source is self-published:

Here is a source for the genre:

The article isn't in english, but points out that David Fricke of Rolling Stone is the author, so the source seems reliable. --Marcos FTO (talk) 19:27, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

I am never comfortable with musical sources by a single person, hence this challenge, however the source I would trust agrees with yours I will undo my revert. - FlightTime (open channel) 19:54, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

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GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Ramble On/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Vaughan J. (talk · contribs) 06:49, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

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I will start this review soon! — VAUGHAN J. (TALK) 06:49, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Many thanks! I'll aim to respond promptly to your comments. Chiswick Chap (talk) 07:27, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

No worries! Anyways, here are the comments. — VAUGHAN J. (TALK) 07:40, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Infobox and lead

What to change the infobox to

Original	Change to
"Ramble On" Song by Led Zeppelin from the album Led Zeppelin II Recorded April-August 1969 Studio Juggy Sound and A & R Recording, New York City Genre Folk rock hard rock blues rock Length 4:35	"Ramble On" Song by Led Zeppelin from the album Led Zeppelin II Recorded 1969 Studio Juggy Sound (Manhattan) A & R Recording (New York City) Genre Folk rock hard rock blues rock Length 4:35 Audio video "Ramble On" on YouTube

• Infobox looks okay, but there are a few changes needed. Notes are down below. See the changes here: →

• Recorded – It only mentions that it was recorded in 1969, it doesn't mention the month.
• Studio – See Template:Infobox song
• Genre – Mention the genres in the "Composition and lyrics" section.
• Length – Ref isn't needed. Maybe mention the length in the "Composition and lyrics" section.
• Audio video – Add the template since you're going to move the audio sample.
• Audio sample – It should be in the body instead of the infobox.

• Recast infobox as suggested, and moved the audio to the body.

• "song by the English rock band Led Zeppelin from their 1969 album Led Zeppelin II. It was co-written by Jimmy Page and Robert Plant, and was recorded in 1969 at Juggy Sound Studio, New York City, during the band's second concert tour of North America." → "song by English rock rock band Led Zeppelin. Co-written by Jimmy Page and Robert Plant and produced by Page, and recorded in 1969 at Juggy Sound Studio, New York City and A & R Recording, Manhattan, it serves as the seventh track of their second studio album Led Zeppelin II."
  • Done.

• "The song was not released as a vinyl single in the 20th century," It was though? I see on Discogs, it was released as a the B-side of "Whole Lotta Love" in Turkey. The vinyl cover was added in the infobox. Am I missing something here?
  • Added "in the US or the UK", at the risk of repetition. The Turkey vinyl cover is dated 2015 but it's possible it came out a bit earlier than that.

• That's acceptable. — VAUGHAN J. (TALK) 08:35, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

• "but the album reached number 1 in the US and the UK, and over 12 million copies have been sold." Is that really relevant to the song?
  • Yes, it absolutely is, as otherwise the reader has no inkling how wide the reach of the song was. Had the song been released in 1969 as a single, of course the statement would be redundant.

• Ok. Thanks for clearing that up. — VAUGHAN J. (TALK) 08:35, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

• Also the reception section says that the song reached number 77 on Billboard's Canadian Digital Song Sales chart, so you should probably mention that in the lead.
  • Done, but I think it's a minor detail and a sharp comedown from the heights it reached a generation earlier.

Song

• Get rid of that section, as the subsections just need to be just sections by itself.
  • Done.

Composition and recording

• Retitle to Composition and lyrics and merge with the Analysis section per the short size
  • Done.

• That was not what I meant by moving it to Analysis section. I added a table of contents that you can see here →

• Make the two paragraphs into one paragraph.
  • Done.

• You have to also the length and genres sentences to be the first and second sentence in the first paragraph. — VAUGHAN J. (TALK) 08:33, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

• Add the genres and the length of the song with the sources from the infobox.
  • Done.

• ""Ramble On" was co-written by Led Zeppelin's Jimmy Page and Robert Plant; the lyrics were mainly Plant's." → ""Ramble On" was co-written by Jimmy Page and Robert Plant; the lyrics were mainly written by Plant."
  • Done.

• "tone on the solo by" → "tone on the guitar solo by"
  • Done.

• "on his Les Paul with the treble cut and" → "on his Gibson Les Paul with the treble cut, and"
  • Done.

• "built by the audio engineer Roger Mayer." → "built by audio engineer Roger Mayer."
  • No, this is standard British English.

• Crossed out. — VAUGHAN J. (TALK) 08:33, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Live performances

• Move the section under the reception section.
  • Done.

• See table of contents above — VAUGHAN J. (TALK) 08:33, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

• "century concerts, never as" → "century concerts, but never as"
  • Done.

• "It was first performed live in its entirety at" → "The full song was first performed live at"
  • Done.

• "at the O2 Arena in London;" → "at the O₂ Arena in London;"
  • Done.

Impact

• Get rid of that section, as the subsections just need to be just sections by itself.
  • Done.

Reception

• "In his book" Whose? Dave Lewis?
  • I tried reordering this, but that didn't work well, so I've left it as it was. The construction is quite usual in British English, and it has the advantage that it serves to introduce the authority ("Who's Dave Lewis?") by being placed before their name. You're right that it's a mild form of forward reference, but it's resolved at the start of the very next clause.

• "Page's acoustic guitar is "stirring" and Plant's vocals are "electrifying", but emphasized that John Paul Jones's less-noticed bass playing is "sublime"." → "Page's acoustic guitar is stirring and Plant's vocals are electrifying, but emphasized that John Paul Jones's less-noticed bass playing is sublime." per MOS:QUOTE

• "sonic attack."" → "sonic attack"." per MOS:QUOTE
  • Done.

Analysis

• No need to add the further template, the table and the quote box.
  • Done.

• Make the last two paragraphs into one paragraph.
  • Done.

• "of rural Britain."" → "of rural Britain"." per MOS:QUOTE
  • Done.

• "commented that "The narrator" → "commented that "the narrator" per MOS:QUOTE
  • Done.

• "the One Ring."" → "the One Ring"." per MOS:QUOTE
  • Done.

Certifications

• Looks good.
  • Noted.

• Need to add a charts section on top of the section, because as I mentioned on the lead, the song reached number 77 on Billboard's Canadian Digital Song Sales chart.
  • Done.

See also

• Looks good.
  • Noted.

References

• Copyvio score – Not great at 53.7%. Mostly highlighted on the lead: that's why I wanted you to copyedit the lead.
  • Noted; this is surely others copying from Wikipedia. Lead has been edited.
    • I've checked the tool's findings; basically there are just simple matches of book titles ("The Lord of the Rings"), and the directly quoted, attributed, and cited piece from Andy Greene, so there's no issue.

• All web urls (except ref 2, 3, 4, 5, 9, 16 and 19) needs to be archived.
  • Will have a go; this is outside the GAN criteria so should not impede the process.

External links

• Get rid of the first link, since you're adding it to the infobox anyway.
  • Done.

Final comments and verdict

•  On hold until all of the issues are fixed; the only thing I don't like is the contents. Hope you can fix it just like all the other song articles! — VAUGHAN J. (TALK) 07:40, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
  • I've changed/deleted/repositioned the headings exactly as instructed. If you want to change them further, please feel free to do that directly. All comments have been addressed. Chiswick Chap (talk) 08:41, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

• Pass now; I copyedited what I expected per what you said! Good job! Will you also be free to review AC/DC if you can? — VAUGHAN J. (TALK) 09:33, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

• Gosh, thanks. AC/DC is a huge article on a band of which I have little knowledge. If you have a song article perhaps I could review that sometime. Chiswick Chap (talk) 10:54, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

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