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Ralph Waldo Trine was one of the Philosophy and religion good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.

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Date	Process	Result
April 23, 2020	Good article nominee	Listed
February 26, 2023	Good article reassessment	Delisted

A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on January 8, 2017.

The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that Henry Ford considered Ralph Waldo Trine an old friend and had several conversations with him concerning success in life?

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Needs a list including on line links. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 17:46, 28 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Done 7&6=thirteen (☎) 19:31, 28 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Copyright contributor investigation and Good article reassessment

This article is part of Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations/20210315 and the Good article (GA) drive to reassess and potentially delist over 200 GAs that might contain copyright and other problems. An AN discussion closed with consensus to delist this group of articles en masse, unless a reviewer opens an independent review and can vouch for/verify content of all sources. Please review Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/February 2023 for further information about the GA status of this article, the timeline and process for delisting, and suggestions for improvements. Questions or comments can be made at the project talk page. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 09:36, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

New article created

I have created this article with different sources. I understand it was previously deleted due to copyright concerns as a user was copying large pieces of text but this should no longer be the case. Psychologist Guy (talk) 17:06, 1 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

In Tune with the Infinite as "the most popular publication in the New Thought movement"

The article currently says:

Trine authored In Tune with the Infinite which has remained the most popular publication in the New Thought movement.^[1]

I would like to verify this. As the source is paywalled, I would appreciate a quotation in context from the source for this. Pinging @Psychologist Guy: as it was added by them. Marcus Markup (talk) 14:37, 27 February 2024 (UTC) Marcus Markup (talk) 14:37, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I used to have full access to JSTOR. I no longer have full access but the quote does appear in the paper. The paper says "Like Ralph Waldo Trine, whose book In Tune with the Infinite remained the New Thought movement's most popular publication, it was not an accident that Peale emphasized power as much as positive thinking". Psychologist Guy (talk) 15:40, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. It looks like the source is invoking the past tense (perhaps the early 1900's... about Peale's time) in saying it "remained" the most popular publication. I'm not sure we can bring that into the present tense and say in Wikivoice that it "has remained" most popular. Marcus Markup (talk) 19:10, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The reference cited Peale's most well known book The Power of Positive Thinking which was first published in 1955. In regard to Trine's book In Tune with the Infinite, it has sold over 2 million copies [1]. The claim that it is the most popular publication for New Thought appears to be accurate because it has sold the most copies. Prentice Mulford authored Thoughts Are Things but it didn't sell as many copies as Trine's book. Psychologist Guy (talk) 19:26, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

By the standard of books sold, The Power of Positive Thinking would surpass, with more than 5 million sold. And Trine does not even appear in our List of New Thought writers (which is an omission which should be remedied, of course) nor is he mentioned in the New Thought article... for the author of the "most popular" New Thought book, this is rather perplexing and you would think someone with an interest in the subject would have added him and his work by now. But Jon Butler is a reliable source and does not equivocate... Wikipedia operates off verifiability, not truth of course. Marcus Markup (talk) 23:56, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Wikipedia article for Ralph Waldo Trine was not originally created by me. Basically an old user created this article many years ago but it was only found out last year that he had added copyrighted material to it. The user was banned from Wikipedia for plagiarizing material and his articles were delisted as good articles. A month after it had been deleted I created an entirely new article completely unrelated to the old. If you check the List of New Thought writers editing history, you will see that the original article link was deleted in March 2023 [2], the same happened on the New Thought article [3], the link was removed then another user removed the name because no article existed.

In regard to Norman Vincent Peale, my understanding is that he was never a new thought writer. He was a self-help writer who proposed positive thinking, it seems to be different than the books from the New Thought movement. Peale was a mainstream Protestant clergyman, most new thought writers are non-denominational mystics. Of course, I am no expert on this topic. I have to admit I am not interested in New Thought, the only reason I created Trine's article was because of his link to vegetarianism. Psychologist Guy (talk) 00:26, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Butler, Jon (2006). "Theory and God in Gotham". History and Theory. 45 (4): 47–61. doi:10.1111/j.1468-2303.2006.00383.x. JSTOR 3874096.

[1] Butler, Jon (2006). "Theory and God in Gotham". History and Theory. 45 (4): 47–61. doi:10.1111/j.1468-2303.2006.00383.x. JSTOR 3874096.

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