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Vandalism and defacement of the grave

I would like to point out that the latinized version of the abusive sentence on the grave in section "Racism against Arab citizens by Israeli Jews" is not completely correct. It is true that ערבים is spelt with a ב ("b"), but the letter in contemporary Israeli Hebrew is rendered as "v" when occurring between vowels and the text should be "... laAravim". 151.76.26.165 (talk) 12:39, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Extremely misleading first sentence of the last paragraph of the introduction, claiming Israeli law prohibits racism.

It states: 'Israel has broad anti-discrimination laws that prohibit discrimination by both government and non-government entities on the basis of race, religion, and political beliefs, and prohibits incitement to racism.'

Israeli law doesn't prohibit racism, on the contrary, the most egregious racism in Israel is perpetrated by the state and is codified in law. There's a long list of discriminatory laws here (https://www.adalah.org/en/law/index). And just about every major international or Israel-based human rights organisation has declared Israel is an apartheid state - for example:

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/wp-content/uploads/downloads/201703_UN_ESCWA-israeli-practices-palestinian-people-apartheid-occupation-english.pdf

https://icahd.org/2020/02/14/israeli-groups-thank-international-activists-for-attempting-to-break-the-gaza-siege/

https://www.yesh-din.org/en/the-occupation-of-the-west-bank-and-the-crime-of-apartheid-legal-opinion/

https://achrs.org/english/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/Statement-of-support-for-the-Palestinian-people.pdf

https://www.btselem.org/sites/default/files/publications/202101_this_is_apartheid_eng.pdf

https://www.hrw.org/sites/default/files/media_2021/04/israel_palestine0421_web_0.pdf

https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/mde15/5141/2022/en/

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2022/03/israels-55-year-occupation-palestinian-territory-apartheid-un-human-rights

https://web.archive.org/web/20220629182724/http://www.itisapartheid.org/facts01.html

The very foundation of Israel was racist. Jewish Palestinians were assigned roughly 2.5 times as much per-capita territory as the Palestinian Arabs were in the 1947 UN-approved partition plan, and even that wasn't enough for the Jews who ended up taking half of the land that was assigned to the Palestinian Arabs in the 1948 war, and more since then, particularly in the 1967 war when they annexed the West Bank, and progressively since then.

Israeli law is racist law because it is a product of Israel's racist "democracy". Millions of Palestinian Arabs were uprooted by violence and never allowed to return - the Israelis genocidally gerrymandered the national borders and forced millions of Palestinians into exile in other countries and in Gaza. And entry into the country and citizenship and therefore voting rights, continues to be extremely prejudiced in favour of Jews and against Muslims and Arabs. MathewMunro (talk) 09:58, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Change "The 2010 U.S. State Department Country Report stated that Israeli law prohibits discrimination on the basis of race, and that government effectively enforced these prohibitions." To "The 2010 U.S. State Department Country Report stated that Israeli law prohibits discrimination on the basis of race, and that government effectively enforced these prohibitions, though, the report did not provide statistics or facts supporting these claims."

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I looked through the report, they did not provide anything supporting their claim. Accepting baseless statements coming from the US departments as true is a logical fallacy of argument from authority.

Would prefer if editors can find more recent data from neutral observers. Ripened banana (talk) 19:13, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: seems like inserting WP:OR. If you have reason to believe the state department is not a WP:RS and should be removed entirely, feel free to discuss that here, otherwise you would need another source commenting on the lack of statistics/facts in the report to add your proposed text Cannolis (talk) 20:52, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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link to source 38 has expired, should be swapped with the same page on the wayback machine: https://web.archive.org/web/20151019125242/http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1106955.html Ernesto Rosso (talk) 07:20, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Partly done: I've fixed the URL to the actual article, not the redirect page. Myrealnamm (💬talk · ✏️contribs) at 13:12, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Incidence" section

This section strikes me as intentionally misleading. It seems to be entirely based on the opinion of one Israeli scholar using a definition of "racism" that doesn't match the way the word is commonly understood in English. Even if one accepts the given definition—"the term racism must be restricted to beliefs that a given biological race is superior"—the implication that nothing laid out in the rest of the article, including the photo of the vandalized gravestone right below this section, meets that definition seems to me to be an example of malicious sophistry. Would writing "death to Arabs" on a gravestone only count as racist if it also said "I'm doing this because I think Arabs are an inferior race"? Would the average person accept that a government's various forms of institutionalized discrimination are merely ethnocentric, and not racist, unless those policies include the language "[group A] is superior to [group B]"?

Besides which, it is not difficult to find examples of Israelis, including government officials, literally saying that Arabs are inferior, are animals, are inherently violent, etc. Just to give one example—literally the first result in my search—last year the BBC reported Itamar Ben-Gvir saying "My right, my wife's, my children's, to roam the roads of Judea and Samaria are more important than the right of movement of the Arabs." Surely that meets even the strangely narrow definition above? Kabest (talk) 23:50, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with these concerns, and not only that, this "incidence" section doesn't say anything at all about the actual incidence (regardless of the definition used). No statistics, no discussion. "The incidence of [phenomenon] depends on the definition used" is self-evidently true and therefore adds nothing to the article. I deleted the section. -- LWG ^talk 16:14, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]