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Great article. I did do some minor work on the first paragraph, just clarifying that the barrio was part of the metro area, not the city, as the wiki on the community states. --{{SUBST:User:Coryma}} 23:44, 3 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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 Not done - no consensus whatsoever for the move. Neıl 10:35, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

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"Racing Club" most commonly means this side. I propose that the Argentina club's article be moved to simple "Racing Club"... and the disambiguation page there be renamed "Racing Club (disambiguation)".

From the others, the two most noted clubs are Racing Club de Strasbourg and Racing de Santander, unlike the Argentina club these two are never just known as "Racing Club".. their common name is RC Strasbourg and Racing Santander. - Sivorian (talk) 14:30, 18 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose - There are too many "Racing Club"s in the world to apply the term specifically to this club. Even the club's own official website refers to them as "Racing Club de Avellaneda" on a number of occasions, not least the titlebar and in the title graphic. – PeeJay 00:07, 21 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per many of the above. There are just too many "Racing Club"s in the world, as PeeJay rightly says, and there is not a single indication that the term "Racing Club" predominantly refers to this particular club, as 132.205.44.5 rightly says. AecisBrievenbus 01:13, 21 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - 132.205.44.5 (from the North America) ignorantly asserted on RFM that the club was not refered to as just Racing Club in the English media, yet every single major English language media proves this shallow unresearched opinion to be comepltely wrong, so his stance fails Wikipedia:Verifiability, and this evidence proves that they are known as just "Racing Club" worldwide.
BBC.co.uk - "Racing Club of Argentina"
ESPN.com - "Racing Club Profile"
SportsIllustrated.com - "Team Pages - Racing Club"
People Daily Online - "Simeone to coach Racing Club"
DailyMail.co.uk - "spells at (...) Racing Club in the 1990s"
NYTimes.com - "play at Racing Club’s stadium"
TimesOnline.co.uk - "the antics of Racing Club kicking Celtic"
Guardian.co.uk - "coaching career at Racing Club"
Topix.com - "Moralez set to leave Racing Club and.."
DailyStar.net - "Racing Club and San Lorenzo"
SportsNetwork.com - "Racing Club coach Ubaldo Fillol"
Reuters.com - "returns to Racing Club after 11 years"
Goal.com "place at Racing Club's stadium"
AOL.com - "Racing Club 4-2 Godoy Cruz"
Yahoo.com - "Racing Club and led Estudiantes", etc, etc.
He has yet to provide an example of the English language media consistantly calling the club "Racing Club de Avellaneda". None of the other, historically less significant clubs have the name in common media as simply "Racing Club" they have different names, and this is the club who is housed at RacingClub.com - Sivorian (talk) 06:46, 21 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion moved here from WP:RM

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How does that show anything at all in regards to this, when the whole point in the move is that the club is most commonly refered to as Racing Club, with Avellaneda not usually mentioned at all.

Also you're delussional to claim its not "English usage" and you have not provided any proof to back up such a stupid claim. Racing Club is an English language words (not Spanish) and is used in the English language media, just because some people from North America are ignorant to the world's most well known sport does not mean igorance is global.

Here is solid proof that the club are known, in English language media as "Racing Club" (Yes NA's, people talk about football outside of Spanish language too!) BBC.co.uk - "Racing Club of Argentina", ESPN.com - "Racing Club Profile", SportsIllustrated.com - "Team Pages - Racing Club", People Daily Online - "Simeone to coach Racing Club", DailyMail.co.uk - "spells at (...) Racing Club in the 1990s", NYTimes.com - "play at Racing Club’s stadium", TimesOnline.co.uk - "the antics of Racing Club kicking Celtic", Guardian.co.uk - "coaching career at Racing Club", Topix.com - "Moralez set to leave Racing Club and..", DailyStar.net - "Racing Club and San Lorenzo", SportsNetwork.com - "Racing Club coach Ubaldo Fillol", Reuters.com - "returns to Racing Club after 11 years", Goal.com "place at Racing Club's stadium", AOL.com - "Racing Club 4-2 Godoy Cruz", Yahoo.com - "Racing Club and led Estudiantes", etc.

That is basically every major English language media outlet calling them just "Racing Club" in English language articles. So are you going to continue to wallin in egotistical "If I haven't heard of it in North America, it doesn't exist" ignorance or what? Proof is all there. Tell you what, show me a list of English media which DO call them "Racing Club de Avellaneda"- Sivorian (talk) 06:25, 21 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • That it can be called just "Racing Club" is not the point that's being disputed. The point being disputed is whether it is the only or main one referred to as "Racing Club", in the same way that any other disambiguation pages list many things that have the same title. We have to be precise when choosing article titles to make sure that they aren't ambiguous. Aside from these things, please don't post back and forth arguments directly on the WP:RM page. I will set up a multimove for you this time. Dekimasuよ! 10:38, 21 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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High importance assessment

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Racing Club more than meet the criteria specified on the importance scale for High impoortance articles. "Article is extremely notable, but has not achieved international notability, or is only notable within a particular continent". Racing Club won the Copa Libertadores in 1966, which is the most prestigious tournament in South American club football. They also won the Copa Intercontinental in 1967 making them one time club world champions. They were also the most successful team in the amateur era of Argentine football. The only way the Racing Club article can be seen as failing to meet the definition of high importance articles is if the notability of their achievements is reduced by the fact that most of them occurred a fairly long time ago. This is why I am changing it back King of the NorthEast 01:24, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, I agree. I remember seeing them in 1967 when they won the Intercontinental (yeah, I'm old :) -- Alexf(Talk/Contribs) 01:26, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Players

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Nelson Chabay is from Uruguay. changed flag to URU. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Claudio148 (talkcontribs) 01:43, 6 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

fixed the poor english

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i fixed the poor english inside this article... i felt bad for the club... lol —Preceding unsigned comment added by CF-cid (talkcontribs) 01:57, 18 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What's with the name?

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Does "Racing" have a soccer-related meaning in Spanish? Isaac Rabinovitch (talk) 02:51, 6 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No, it was chosen as a reference to the French "Racing Club" (added fact to the article). Fache (talk) 03:28, 6 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
OK, same question, only change "Spanish" to "French".Isaac Rabinovitch (talk) 04:59, 7 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Can't help you there. Fache (talk) 07:52, 7 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
In fact, did not take the name of his French namesake (it's a myth) but it took its name from a racing magazine of that country, brought to Argentina by Germán Vidaillac (a founding partner with French blood). --WIKI-WOLVERINE (talk) 04:59, 6 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Dead cats?

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The article in the German wikipedia claims that there is a legend that in 1967, fans of CA Independiente buried seven black cats in the stadium Estadio Presidente Perón to call a curse down on their rivals. A long barren run without any title ensued until 2001, when allegedly the last carcass had been found in a large-scale serch operation. In the same year, Racing won the championship for the first time in a long while.

Does anyone have reliable sources that this legend exists or has at least heard about it? --95.91.226.65 (talk) 18:52, 11 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It's all a myth. None of that ever really happened. Regards. --WIKI-WOLVERINE (talk) 04:51, 6 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Number of Cups

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  • Racing has 13 national cups (5 Ibarguren, 4 Honor, 1 Beccar Varela, 1 Competencia, 1 Británica and 1 Bullrich*).

*The Bullrich Cup it's from the second division of Argentina.

  • Racing has 6 international cups (1 Honor Cousenier, 2 Aldao, 1 Intercontiental, 1 Libertadores and 1 Sudamericana).
  • The Supercopa Interamericana is recognized by the club (as number 7) but not for the Conmebol (made unofficial some time ago). --WIKI-WOLVERINE (talk) 05:13, 6 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

(this is the reference of the official website: http://www.racingclub.com.ar/palmares). — Preceding unsigned comment added by WIKI-WOLVERINE (talkcontribs) 05:18, 6 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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possible reassessment

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Article looks ready for C class to me. More content has been added and it is now well sourced, compared to 2 years ago. Article still feels a little short; a rivalry section is missing. There are four other major clubs around Buenos Aires and Racing has a very intense rivalry with independiente, which needs to be talked about extensively, not just in a sentence in the lead section 2601:6C5:8100:6D80:FD94:B264:C572:7F09 (talk) 04:47, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]