Talk:RMS Queen Elizabeth/Archive 1

Archive 1

Spoilers

The reference about the MI6 HQ should be marked as spoiler--ZorroIII 22:43, 2004 Nov 17 (UTC)

I removed the spoilers, what do you think of it now? 156.34.217.120 00:02, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

1972 fire and loss

A recent change to this states that the cause of the fire is "believed to be arson and sabotage by the People's Republic of China". While there has been speculation that the PRC was involved the language seems too strong for what may only be a rumor. Therefore I propose to remove it. Kablammo 13:16, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Removed. SchuminWeb (Talk) 23:03, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Reinstated. The rumor is just that, a rumor. However, we added the fact that it has been speculated as such. We speculate who killed JFK, right? Therefore, this should stay. 129.219.6.193 15:25, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Provide me a reliable citation, and then we'll talk. SchuminWeb (Talk) 11:07, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Picture please?

Can someone come up with a nice picture of a stately QE at the top right position? It looks awfully bare. JohnClarknew 11:57, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Picture has been added! Enigma3542002 00:53, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Any opinions on the picture? I created it from a free photo. Enigma3542002 04:05, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Looks good to me! SchuminWeb (Talk) 16:59, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

New Queen Elizabeth

Cunard are to build a new ship by 2010 Her Majesty The Queen has given her blessing to Cunard calling this new Cunarder `Queen Elizabeth'. Palmiped 15:47, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject class rating

This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 05:09, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

1972 fire and loss, location?

Is the any record of the location of the QE in Victoria Harbor ? mr_uu (talk) 05:38, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, the current location of the QE is in a scrap yard. There's hardly anything left of the ship on the harbor seabed now. Jammy (talk) 16:31, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

perhaps I should rephrase the question, where exactly was the QE anchored in Victoria Harbor when she sank ? mr_uu (talk) 05:18, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

The Chinese Wikipedia states the location was between Tsing Yi Island and Stonecutters Island. — HenryLi (Talk) 11:43, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

I added the position of the wreck from a gov't document (see cite). The document claims it is a WGS84 coordinate. However it shows up on a pier, at the back of a boat basin on the SW end of Tsing Yi Island, when viewed in Google Maps, et. al. Not sure if there was a coordinate system error, or if land has been filled in since 1990 (last reported activity concerning the wreck in the document). However the document was created in 2009. I wonder how good Google Maps' alignment is there. Wikimapia has rectangle nearby in the harbor that seems more reasonable, but of course no cite. A discussion has a map pin more south of Stonecutter I. Anyone have an Victoria Hbr. chart from the late 70s or 80s? At least they all agree that it's not buried under the new airport, by a wide margin. --J Clear (talk) 14:42, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

After finding this photo and comparing to GE, I'm now pretty convinced the land was filled out that far. And this article and others mention it was buried by Container Terminal 9 in the late 90s. --J Clear (talk) 14:57, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

The article says there was some wreckage left after salvaging, probably the very base of the ship below the waterline(?) and it was buried beneath the dock seaport extension. The article needs these coordinates in its upper left corner, i.e. a resting place (albeit of a small part of the ship). Yes its below ground but it still should be in the article. On that note I vote J Clear's submission above be the marker -- clearest evidence I've ever seen. Any thoughts? --76.115.67.114 (talk) 09:06, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

First departure of Queen Elizabeth from the Clyde for New York

There is no record what ever of German bombers circling over the Solent in wait for the Queen Elizabeth to arrive in March 1940. The Ministry of Home Security Daily Intelligence Reports, which were issued at 12 hourly intervals by the War Room reveals that Saturday 2 March 1940, and for several days afterwards, were extremely quiet. These reports, prepared at the time as information was received from the twelve regions into which England, Scotland and Wales had been divided for Civil Defence purposes in JUly 1939, were secret and were not for publication and are threfore accurate and frank descriptions of each days major incidents. It is worth remembering that what was known as "The phoney war" in fact continued through until 10 May 1940. So, there was in fact no activity from German aircraft anywhere near the English Channel, Southampton Water or the Solent at the time that the Queen Elizabeth might have been expected to arrive - and certainly Southampton was not bombed instead in an act of frustration. Clive Harvey 92.8.135.25 (talk) 20:40, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

If there had been any German bombers "circling over the Solent" in March 1940 they would have been shot down by the RAF, as they were later to be during the Battle of Britain. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.24.215.177 (talk) 19:21, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

The Air Ministry had a Chain Home site at Ventnor on the Isle of Wight but RDF (radar) was secret so rumours may have been circulating among the public at the time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.149.173.127 (talk) 10:35, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

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Insurance?

Did Tung ever collect on the insurance? According to an article in the NY Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/31/opinion/IHT-meanwhile-the-mysterious-demise-of-a-grand-ocean-liner.html) a court of inquiry in Hong Kong determined that it was a case of arson, but scant information has come to light since. PhilUK (talk) 11:33, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

opening sentence

The opening sentence is missing a verb or punctuation or both. PurpleChez (talk) 21:22, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

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