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Proposed merge with Muggle Quidditch

initial cap only (WP:TITLE) DA Sonnenfeld (talk) 12:21, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

Change of Tittle

This page should be renamed from Muggle quidditch to Quiddich (sport) as the official name of the sport is quidditch and not muggle quidditch.

ALBonnell (talk) 06:56, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

I second a notion for a name change, though the fictional - and more famous - version is also technically a sport, fake or not, so maybe the name would be something different still. Jackson Scofield (talk) 18:40, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Quidditch (Muggle sport)? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.16.19.232 (talk) 21:29, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

I would suggest the change to Quidditch (Sport), and changing the existing page 'Quidditch' to Quidditch (fictional sport). ALBonnell (talk) 04:18, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

"Quidditch (sport)" would to the vast majority of people mean the sport played in the Harry Potter universe, as opposed to some other meaning that isn't a sport at all. But regardless, both of the meanings we have are sports. That one of them is fictional doesn't change the fact. As such, the current title makes as much sense as James Taylor (person) would. As such, I'm going to be WP:BOLD and change this to Quidditch (real-life sport). — Smjg (talk) 08:04, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

Contradiction

There seems to be a contradiction between the first paragraph of the introduction and the section describing the Snitch. I don't know much about the sport, so I don't know which one is correct, but I do know that it's impossible for both to be correct.

The first paragraph contains this sentence: The ultimate goal is to have more points than the other team by the time the snitch, a tennis ball inside a long sock hanging from the shorts of an impartial official dressed in yellow, is caught.

This is how it's described in the Snitch section: The snitch is a tennis ball or balled-up socks placed at the bottom of either a gold or yellow long sock. The sock is tucked into the back of the snitch runner's shorts as if it were a tail. The snitch runner may do everything in his or her power to protect the snitch from being snatched by seekers. Only seekers may make advances towards the snitch or the snitch runner, and no forceful contact with the snitch runner is allowed. The game ends when the snitch is grabbed by a seeker, awarding that seeker's team 30 points. Fishnet37222 (talk) 08:55, 10 March 2015 (UTC) There is no contradiction here. You are warded 30 points for catching the snitch and the game ends. Where is the contradiction? Both can easily be correct. If you catch the snitch and your team is down by more than 30 points you lose, simple. You didn't put a lot of thought in to this if you think it is impossible for both to be correct.

Intro - Snitch role precision

Rules described are incorrect : "the game moves to overtime where the snitch is constrained to the pitch's dimensions" --> this is already the case during regulation time. Should be precised somewhere before. Sevvem (talk) 09:31, 12 January 2017 (UTC) Sevvem

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Name change to Quadball

As of July 2022, the name of the sport has been officially renamed to quadball per its governing bodies. I think this page should be updated accordingly. See info here Xavdid (talk) 21:08, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

What is more important though is what are all the sources and general population calling it. Fyunck(click) (talk) 22:10, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

Is it? Other similar sport renames (such as Ultimate_(sport)) are listed under their official name, even though it's still commonly known as "ultimate frisbee". Also, all of the organizations (Major League Quidditch, International_Quidditch_Association, etc have changed the titles of their businesses accordingly. The news articles from the past all refer to the name of the sport at the time the article was written, but all newly-written sources will use "quadball" going forward. Xavdid (talk) 22:45, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

I can't help what other articles do. It will always be Ultimate Frisbee to me. And when new books get written about Quadball without using Quidditch, then of course we go with the sources. Fyunck(click) (talk) 03:58, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

Current spotted coverage:

https://www.npr.org/2022/07/19/1112324298/quidditch-rebrands-as-quadball-and-further-distances-itself-from-harry-potter-au

https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/quidditch-changes-name-distance-harry-potter-author-jk-rowling-rcna38919

On the plus side to a name change, it would also assist in the article name awkwardness of "(real-life sport)"

The comparison to Ultimate does seem apt though. They changed their sports name to avoid a copyright issue. Quadball has done the same to avoid it. While it's likely too early to see if Quadball sticks in English, with all the US and leading international governing body making the change, I suspect it will. I'd say leave as is for the moment, but unless sources roll in that *don't* use the new name, it should be changed soon. Otherwise the article is simply out of date. Queso2469 (talk) 04:07, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

Agreed Dronebogus (talk) 17:36, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

When you think about it, refusing to call quadball by its new, correct name is exactly what J.K. Rowling would have wanted. Haschel47 (talk) 23:38, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

Sounds cool. Fyunck(click) (talk) 01:15, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

“I have no discrimination against quadballs, but they’re still quidditches” Dronebogus (talk) 16:19, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

Lmao Haschel47, I may be 2 years late on this compliment but that's a perfect joke.

Anyway, it's been 2 years, and quadball is now well-established as the common name. So, I'll switch it over to simply "Quadball" now that the matter has settled with time. LesbianTiamat (talk) 20:53, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

I have changed the article name on what I've interpreted as overall positive discussion and the precident set by Ultimate_(sport). I won't argue if anyone thinks its too soon and changed it back though, trying to be bold. -- NotCharizard ^🗨 06:00, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

I changed it back because this is under discussion. It looks like over the past couple years it's mostly called Quidditch. Even the rulebook. Heck, right now even the ???Official??? governing body website uses Qudditch. Fyunck(click) (talk) 06:27, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

Understandable, the official name change was only madea few days ago. Do you think perhaps waiting a week or so to see if more statements are made by governing body's would help the case of changing the name? -- NotCharizard ^🗨 06:31, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

It certainly could. But things like rule books and books about the sport, magazine articles etc, carry even more weight. Common usage is usually where we put article titles and those items change a little more slowly. And every single national team is called quidditch right now, so those might also have to change. Teams like Qudditch Australia, Quidditch Canada, Quidditch UK, Quidditch Netherlands, etc. These could all change their name tomorrow though my guess is that new membership might wain when people realize they are being recruited for quadball rather than quidditch. There is also the problem the organization might have when they realized that Quad-ball is an adult bondage and fetish toy. That could be pretty bad if we have to put at the top of the article that "This is for Quadball sport; for the adult bondage quad-ball toy see Quad-ball (bondage toy)" if someone creates a legitimate article (which you know someone will). Fyunck(click) (talk) 06:35, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

USQ and IQA should release new rulebooks by the end of august, if they follow their usual pattern. Those will have the new names. the name change has been a known thing in the community for 7 months at this point, and all the teams I know are changing their names over right now. I think a week or two might make sense, though! TheBigWeeHag (talk) 15:23, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

What you think means absolutely nothing on wikipedia. What matters is sourcing... books, magazines, organizations, the press. Fyunck(click) (talk) 19:10, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

It's past time to make the change. It has been two years, and the major organizations have changed their labeling.

Updating the title

https://iqasport.org/

http://usquadball.com/

https://www.mlquadball.com/ TheBigWeeHag (talk) 14:33, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Excessive detail in rules and competition sections

I feel the rules section should have overview of major changes in the sports history where notable, including significant changes of both technical and thematic nature (eg removal of capes, removal of off pitch seeking), as well any significant international differences in the modern version. Per rulebook is definitely overly detailed.

Major competitions might actually be worth a spinoff to another article. Should be enough coverage on most of the major ones (at least from local news orgs and the like) to be notable/verifiable. This article itself though seems like an inappropriate place to list all major quidditch tournaments, when there's approximately 10 different ones on this list that happen yearly or every other year.

Queso2469 (talk) 18:11, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

Agreed. The article in general needs a lot of cleanup. There's a lot of outdated and unnecessary information and having different rulebooks for the US and internationally makes it quite confusing. Sentences such "As USQ released the rulebook, the IQA chose to adopt the eighth iteration as the de facto international standard where the proceeding rulebook will be released under the guise of the IQA" which is repeated 3 times in the article are very confusing in their meaning.

I would propose the 'Rules' section explain only the current rules and any regional differences between the current USQ, MLQ and IQA rules. Then a separate 'Development' section could explain the major developments of the sport's rules over time (e.g. removal of capes, removal off pitch seeking, snitch catches no longer always ending the game etc.).

I would also propose moving the information found in the 'Regional or league tournaments' section to a separate article. It feels inappropriate to have such a large amount of information about tournaments of individual countries in an article about the sport as a whole. Twodonotsimply (talk) 13:05, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

Requested move 21 July 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. 1. Presently, the common name of the sports is still quidditch. We can revisit some time later to see if quadball will be the common name of the sports. 2. The renaming by the various organisations/clubs is not complete. This is noted even in some support votes. (closed by non-admin page mover) – robertsky (talk) 15:19, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

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Quidditch (real-life sport) → Quadball – Official name change supported by both US Quadball and the International Quadball Association, the two biggest governing bodies in quadball. Name change has been expected for over a year now (i.e. the community have been on board with a name change) and was made official on the 19th July. The ame change has been posted by many major news sites and a precendent has been set on Wikipedia by when Ultimate_(sport) in relation to the common name, when Ultimate changed it's name due to copyright reasons related to frisbee.

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-- NotCharizard ^🗨 07:34, 21 July 2022 (UTC) -- NotCharizard ^🗨 07:34, 21 July 2022 (UTC)— Relisting. —usernamekiran (talk) 13:09, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

Survey

• Oppose - why even to change? Cancel culture? Wikipedia should be on a neutral site. Quidditch is an original name taken from Rowling's work. To change it would be to violate property rights. Cancel culture or not, creativity is a separate thing. Sure, you can divide the article into two pages, the sport you want to play, which is modeled after the one in the book (quadball), and an article about the game described in the books, and a version of the real game where people don't consider cancel culture. Best would be just to add/leave as it is "quadball" ("also known as...") + add paragraph that after cancel culture movement of Rowling's statements, many people started referring to this sport as quadball. TheTanadu (talk) 11:58, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose - for now. This just happened and Wikipedia usually uses the common name. I'm sure all recent books and magazines use Quidditch. Even the current rulebook. Right now even the ???Official??? governing body website uses Qudditch. Every single national team is called quidditch right now, so those might also have to change before we do a page move. Teams like Qudditch Australia, Quidditch Canada, Quidditch UK, Quidditch Netherlands, etc. These could all change their name tomorrow though my guess is that new membership might wain when people realize they are being recruited for quadball rather than quidditch. There is also the problem the organization might have when they realized that Quad-ball is an adult bondage and fetish toy. That could be pretty bad if we have to put at the top of the article that "This is for Quadball sport; for the adult bondage quad-ball toy see Quad-ball (bondage toy)"... that is, if someone creates a legitimate article (which you know someone will). I think we need to wait to see if all the national quidditch teams change. I can't speak for Ultimate but I do know that every single time I see it on tv they call it "Ultimate Disc" so that should probably change. This is just way too early to see what the common name in English will be. Not everyone who plays is in some national league. Fyunck(click) (talk) 09:43, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose It's Quidditch. And what JK Rowling said was in no way anti transgender. People need to get a grip. Thurlow0391 (talk) 11:36, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

  The content of JKR's comments isn't under discussion here. The fact of the matter is, the governing body has renamed the real-life implementation of the sport based on JKR's books and we have to decide what best to call its Wikipedia article Xavdid (talk) 04:41, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

• Support All of the organizations are moving to change their official names, though MLQ will be keeping Quidditch till the end of the summer to maintain consistency through their season. The page will need a major overhaul by fall anyway, as more name changes will be going out. I think the name should change when the header on the IQA website does, as they're the highest governing body. Source: I have played for coming up on 6 years in a month, and if IQA, MLQ, and USQ all say something is happening then it's just time until the NGBs change their names officially. Do agree with Fyunck in that it might make sense to wait a week or two, just keeping the redirect to quidditch. TheBigWeeHag(click) (talk) 15:23, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

  What we all think means absolutely nothing on wikipedia. You playing doesn't matter either. What matters is sourcing... books, magazines, organizations, the press. Fyunck(click) (talk) 19:12, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose - for now. What's important is the recognizability of the name, (see WP:CRITERIA) change in the future when the common name becomes Quadball.LordLoko (talk) 01:16, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

• Mostly Support - I feel like it's better to do it now, rather that later, in my opinion. OrlandoApollosFan69 (talk) 01:48, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose for now. What matters more than official name changes is the common usage, and it will take some time to see how/if the name changes will affect it. Also, this may very well be just a phase, and various organizations might change their minds if it turns out that distancing themselves from the thing to which they are inexorably tied has significant negative effects. Though the latter would likely take a long time to manifest anyway, so it's not that relevant at the moment. --Veikk0.ma 02:07, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

• Support - It doesn't have to happen today, but the title should change. In the unlikely scenario that there are many people next year running "quidditch" leagues, I'd support splitting the article into two (one for the sport of quadball and another for the real-life adaptation of the game from Harry Potter. The IQA's press release notes that its final "quidditch" tournament will take place July 23-24, 2022. After that, the body and its member organizations will make plans to transition all names to quadball (at which time this article and those related (governing bodies, teams, tournament records, etc) should be updated with the new name. --xavdid 05:04, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

  The sports are one and the same - they won't need two articles. At a future date, though, an article titled "Quadball" starting off with "Quadball, formerly known as Quidditch..." may be appropriate. 71.40.21.238 (talk) 16:53, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose - for now. The official change has only just happened and it is unknown whether the WP:COMMONNAME will actually change. If it proves an unpopular decision in the quidditch-playing community it may very well be changed back before long so the best idea is to wait and see.TheCurrencyGuy (talk) 06:48, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose - for now. Wikipedia should stick with the WP:COMMONNAME. When (/if) the common name changes then we should follow. --Ekaterina Colclough (talk) 09:25, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

Support If this were any other topic, it wouldn't even be a discussion, it'd just be done Snokalok (talk) 16:18, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose - for now. Agreed on the basis of WP:COMMONNAME. Not sure exactly WHEN the name change happened for the article on Ultimate_(sport), but that term is certainly in common vocabulary now. Also, I don't believe it matters how many sources can be cited, or articles written, before this page's name should be changed; it should depend solely on the community of the sport, as to how the new name gets used.71.40.21.238 (talk) 16:54, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

  That is not the way Wikipedia works. You must have sources. Remember people play without belonging to an organization. Fyunck(click) (talk) 19:18, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose - for now, Currently this has only actually changed in the US. The International Quidditch Association say "The IQA will work with its member national governing bodies on developing a timeline for adopting the new name following the European Games." I think the article should change when the IQA and a significant proportion of the national teams are renamed. JeffUK (talk) 17:12, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
• Support. --Amanda A. Brant (talk) 23:40, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

• Support - More concise to have pages called Quadball and Quidditch than Quidditch and Quidditch (real-life sport), along with other factors mentioned by previous Support votes. (MMStinks was here. You can come yell at me for this if you'd like, or check my work) 01:16, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose I favour a wait-and-see approach to see if the name sticks. No reason to change it since it may just be something temporary. Hzh (talk) 09:09, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
• Strong Support While I recognize the concerns about recognizability, the proposed title improves on both precision and concision. CRITERIA says "It may be necessary to favor one or more of these goals over the others." In this case, I think the benefits outweigh the costs. No reader is searching for "Quidditch (real-life sport)". They will search for "quidditch", in which case they will rightfully be sent to Quidditch and have to navigate here, or they will search for "quadball", in which case they will be brought directly here. Same goes for reliable sources like the news media - no one calls it "Quidditch (real-life sport)". The argument for recognizability or COMMONNAME does not hold when the current title is so contrived. The other argument I've seen repeated is that we should wait and see - again, a reasonable instinct. However, there seems to be strong consensus among the players and organizations of this sport for the change, so I think the likelihood of further name changes is low, Most importantly, the likelihood of a return to the trademarked "quidditch" with all its associated costs and restrictions is near zero. There is absolutely no harm in making this change now. Toadspike (talk) 02:08, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

  I wouldn't say "absolutely no harm" so assuredly. At the moment, new players wanting to get into the sport will likely search for "Quidditch" or "real life quidditch". "Quadball" is a term with near-zero recognizability at present, while "quidditch" has a long history with the sport, and increased recognizability due to its relation with the fictional sport in the Harry Potter universe. In the quest for accuracy and correctness, you could end up alienating some who are searching to learn about this sport. Which is kind of the opposite of Wikipedia's goal.

  I'd contend that there's no harm in waiting to change the name. 71.40.21.239 (talk) 14:35, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

  I think it is our goal to reflect the official names, or the name commonly used in reliable sources. It is certainly not our objective or obligation to pick the name that will attract the most new recruits for this sport, or generate the most positive publicity for it or J.K. Rowling. Regardless, this move should do little to harm visibility for two reasons: 1. Searches for "Quidditch" inevitably put the fictional sport first, from which readers (myself included) can click the links to this page. This will not change with a new title; the fictional sport will still be more well-known. 2. Per policy, redirects are cheap, and anyone who does end up searching the bizzare term "Quidditch (real-life sport)" (a combination of letters and punctuation no sane person would type into their search engine) will simply be redirected here, just like anyone who types "Quidditch (sport)", "Muggle Quidditch", "Ground quidditch", or any number of other names currently gets redirected, and none will be the wiser. Sure, there is little harm in waiting, but I believe there is less harm in picking a real term that is recognized as the name of a sport, rather than the bizzare qualified title with (parentheses) and a - hyphen - that we have now, which gets buried under "Quidditch" in all searches for that word. Best, Toadspike (talk) 13:47, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

• Support Given a few days, we already see ESPN picking up a quadball event with no disambiguation or reference to the name quidditch. Additionally agreeing with the above that the name of this article remains incredibly problematic for stated reasons. This article also struggles under the weight of currently trying to other sports with the name of quidditch which are otherwise functionally unrelated, and it has this problem solely because of the article name. Old name fails basically most of the conditions in CRITERIA. It's not natural to search for, it's not precise since there are technically other real life sports by that name, it's not concise, and it's not consistent with any naming scheme of any sports articles. Queso2469 (talk) 20:05, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

  "there are technically other real life sports by that name."

  Really? Can you give examples? Danishjaveed (talk) 10:05, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

  > It's not natural to search for

  On the contrary, if people search for quidditch, and end up at this page, the first thing they see is a link to "the real life sport" page

  > it's not precise since there are technically other real life sports by that name

  Not sure which other sports

  >it's not concise, and it's not consistent with any naming scheme of any sports articles

  Blame that on the way the sport was founded - it's not a very conventional sport anyhow 71.40.21.239 (talk) 14:38, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

  The other sports by the name quidditch are literally at the bottom of this article. Quidditch (real-life sport)#Variants Queso2469 (talk) 14:54, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

  I don't believe those are truly "other sports" in their own regard. They're more appropriately called variants of this one sport, being that they share original inspiration, any many gameplay rules and aspects between them. 71.40.21.238 (talk) 18:50, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

• Support for reasons already stated about problems with current title. The final official 'quidditch' event as described in the name change announcement (European Games 2022) has also now passed so there is no reason to continue using the old name anymore. Twodonotsimply (talk) 20:32, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
• Support Major organizations have changed their names to "quadball", with more international organizations in process of changing their names. Fyunck's arguments about the "sport losing traction" or the similarly named "sex toy" just seem to be straw man arguments. Natg 19 (talk) 07:23, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

  Not true. Right now we would have all kinds of trouble sourcing quadball since most organizations have not changed their names. Not even the governing bodies. And one of the charms and recruiting pluses is it's the sport Harry Potter played... as it transitions to quadball that will no longer be the case. The limited press and book-writing it gets may continue to use Quidditch as the common name. In that case the opening line would change to "Quidditch, officially named quadball" like we with articles such as "Taiwan, officially the Republic of China". This just happened with Quidditch and Wikipedia should be in no hurry to decide what the common name will be. Fyunck(click) (talk) 18:12, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

  None of these things matter for the title of the article. Who cares if this game "will lose its charms and recruiting pluses"? That does not matter at all for the name change. If the sport has changed name, then it has changed name. I expect most press and books to change their mentions to Quadball very quickly to match the official name change of the game. And Wikipedia should follow suit. As was posted in the initial RM nomination, this name change has been widely reported by many sources, and organizations are in the process of changing their names. 23:37, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

  Sources don't matter? That's news to me. And "expecting" books and press to change their reporting doesn't make it so. Those things take time and it may never happen. If it happens of course we change the title... but Wikipedia uses sourcing not "ifs." Right this minute we can't source "quadball" and whoever winds up closing this will have to take that into heavy consideration. Almost all sources use Quidditch. Fyunck(click) (talk) 00:04, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

  I never said sources don't matter. But you keep mentioning things like "the game losing its charm", etc, which are irrelevant. Natg 19 (talk) 00:32, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

• relisting comment this discussion has gotten a lot of input from editors, but there is no clear consensus yet, so I have relisted the discussion. It is hoped there will be more participation, resulting in a consensus. Regards, —usernamekiran (talk) 13:09, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose, per WP:RECENTISM. This change happened a few weeks ago; we need to wait and see what the long term WP:COMMONNAME is. BilledMammal (talk) 15:52, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose, per WP:RECENTISM. Let’s see if this really does cause the wider public to think “quad ball” when they see people playing a game that has been known by another name for 15 years. Thriley (talk) 14:18, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose. Just last night on Australia's Channel 9 regional news I was watching an item on this sport. The reporters and players all called it Quidditch. There was no mention of this more recent name. We need far more evidence that the common name has changed... And so far, it is not even clear that it has changed. If it hasn't then neither should our article title. We do not assist any organisation in its rebranding of itself, any more than we resist that rebranding if and when it is successful. Andrewa (talk) 14:09, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

Discussion

What we need is sourcing. Will English websites change from Quidditch to quadball? Will newspaper stories stop using Quidditch? Will organizations start using quadball? Will dictionaries and books and magazines use quadball? So far they haven't. ivotes based on personal experience won't cut it, nor will ones based on feelings about JK Rowling. Right this minute it is overwhelming in favor of Quidditch usage. Sure it can change, but it hasn't yet. Fyunck(click) (talk) 19:19, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

So weird consequence of the articles title currently: There is a section about other sports with the name quidditch. That's kind of awkward as it is, since this sport has been independently running for about 14 years. Those only seem appropriate here if you consider this page to be about "sports named quidditch" or "sports inspired by quidditch". This page, otherwise, appears to be about the sport currently being renamed to quadball. If the only reason that section is on this page is because they currently share the name, I feel it should be moved elsewhere regardless of the result of this rename. Queso2469 (talk) 03:24, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

I think the 'Quidditch' page is probably a better place for a short list of real-life variants. Quad ball will become one of those and the others can be mentioned there. JeffUK (talk) 13:04, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

Personally I suspect a move is in order, but not to "quadball", I would propose moving it to "Muggle quidditch", as this could cover all games inspired by the fictional game. IF the common name of the specific sport changes, it could receive its own article and be referenced in this one as one of a number of games inspired by the novels.TheCurrencyGuy (talk) 11:48, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

That's a name that only makes sense in fiction. It's primarily used within Harry Potter communities. It doesn't reflect the name major news organizations use to refer to the sport. It doesn't reflect the common terminology used by the organizations that play it or report on it. Even then it's a weak title for disambiguity since it's either implying all adaptations of quidditch are the same (they share only common inspiration, totally unrelated rulesets, which seems significantly more relevant for a 14 year old sport), or just a worse version of something like "sports adapted from quidditch" which seems a weak grouping for an article on it's own, just hidden by a different name. Queso2469 (talk) 00:19, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

I think the relevant policy is WP:IN-UNIVERSE. Toadspike (talk) 13:54, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

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Incorrect use of Semi-Pro

A few unsourced mentions of one or two players being reimbursed for some expenses does not make a sport "semi-pro." As far as I can tell, both QPL and MLQ require member fees and travel expenses, and have no published record of widespread pay for athletes of any kind. The correct term for these leagues is amateur. For further clarification, the Oxford definition of semi-pro is "receiving payment for an activity but not relying entirely on it for a living; semiprofessional." This is simply not the case for the vast majority of members in any of these leagues. 2601:803:580:9A70:E18D:8A21:C794:B077 (talk) slothjaw

Requested move 1 September 2023

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The result of the move request was: no consensus. Slightly leaning towards not moving. (closed by non-admin page mover) – MaterialWorks 17:48, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

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Quidditch (real-life sport) → Quadball – I requested this a year ago, just after the International Quadball Association changed their name and was told it was too soon. It's been a year now, and the name change is pretty well established both within common language and organisational texts. -- NotCharizard ^🗨 09:29, 1 September 2023 (UTC)— Relisting. —usernamekiran (talk) 03:46, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

• Support Most news seem to use the new name rather than calling the sport "Quidditch". ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 16:22, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose In the past week (limited to one week as there are a lot of results for "Quidditch" and each one needs to be manually reviewed to determine whether it is referencing the fictional sport or the real-life one), there has been one results for Quadball; Team Handball News.

In comparison, there is at least three for Quidditch. Inside the Magic, Gulf News, Baltimore Magazine. BilledMammal (talk) 17:39, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

I think it's important to distinguish the organized sport from just informal instances of playing it. The informal instances can be mentioned in Quidditch#Non-fictional Quidditch. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 20:11, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

Inside the Magic and Gulf News refer to the organized sport. It is unclear whether Baltimore Magazine is referring to the organized sport or to something else. BilledMammal (talk) 20:42, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

• Support per nom. The tides seem to have shifted to lean more toward the new name in reliable sources (and common usage) and in organizational texts (also, WP:NATURALDIS). Paintspot Infez (talk) 18:02, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose remember this article is not just about the International Quadball Association or US Quadball, we have articles on those. This article incorporates all aspects of the sport whether intermural, governing bodies, a local playground, etc... This is more like the term "tennis." While the IQA has changed their name, I see plenty of events listed as Quidditch... it's a very well known term. Even fundraising events for autism use the term Quidditch. How-to books for kids also use Quidditch. This article is not only for sanctioned events... it is for playing Quidditch in real life. Heck the international organizations will probably have to change the names of the balls to really homogenize the thrill kids get while playing at churches or local parks and recreation areas. It seems if you want to use "official" Quadball, then it should be in a separate article on only those governing bodies who adhere for financial reasons. Fyunck(click) (talk) 18:41, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

  This article is about a specific kind of aport though. The article doesn't describe quidditch from Harry Potter being roleplayed, but a specific modified version of the sport, which is different. -- NotCharizard ^🗨 02:18, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Seems like a case of WP:OFFICIALNAMES =/= WP:COMMONNAME here. Sleath56 (talk) 19:58, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support It's the name players all over the world already use and we shouldn't have incorrect facts in Wikipedia based on opinions of random people on the discussion of the article, but the official name by official organisations. LordBlacKhiin (talk) 19:50, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

  All over the world the name Quidditch is still used a lot. Sources prove that. Wikipedia does not adhere to official organization rules. We already have articles on those official organizations and this article is not solely about those organizations... they are only a part of real life Quidditch. Fyunck(click) (talk) 20:10, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

  But this page is not about the organizations, but about the sport, which is named quadball (lower case q) and not quidditch, even if some sources mistake it with the old naming. If you guys don't want to keep the Wikipedia updated it's okay, but just say that. The sport is called quadball, is not an opinion, is a fact. Naming it quidditch is an opinion, not a fact. LordBlacKhiin (talk) 15:25, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

• Support. "Still used a lot" is not our standard. If you do a search on something like "quiddich real sport -wikipedia -wiki -blog -forum" (versus "quadball -wikipedia -wiki -blog -forum") what stands out immediately is that most of the material referring to the real-life game as "quiddich" dates to the 2010s, aside from recent material mentioning the name change to "quadball". A Google News search on "quadball" brings up lots and lots of sources on the name being changed; a Google News search on "quiddich" mostly returns the same, plus a lot of stuff about the fictional games (especially in video games). Recent coverage of the real-world game under the name "quiddich" without mentioning the name change to "quadball" is almost non-existent. It's fine to mention in the article that it is still sometimes called quiddich. E.g. various national members of IQA are still using "Quiddich" in their names. However, it's not clear when that list was last updated. Spot-checking individual entries shows that some of them, e.g. in Hong Kong, the US, the UK, and Switzerland have switched to "Quadball", while Slovakia uses "Metlobal" which translates to 'Broom-ball'. Several of the listed national affiliates don't exist any longer or at least don't have functional websites. But in some cases, e.g. US Quadball, Quadball Canada, Quadball Uganda, and Quadball Australia, it's because they've moved to new websites like usquadball.org and facebook.com/QuadballCanada and facebook.com/QuadballUganda and facebook.com/quadballaustralia that don't use "quiddich". See also various national and subnational Facebook groups: US Quadball, Tasmanian University Quadball Club, Dundee Quadball, Tufts [University] Quadball, Quadball Scotland, CU [Colorado University] Quadball, Vancouver Vanguard Quadball, Hobart Social Quadball League, South Coast Quadball Cup, US Quadball Cup, Indian National Quadball Club, Team Ireland Quadball, Durham University Quadball Club, Quadball Rive-Nord de Montréal, Quadball Canada National Team, Queensland Association of Quadball, Florida's Finest Quadball, Chicago Quadball Conference, Quadball New Zealand, Quadball Cymru [Wales], and on and on. A handful use both terms, e.g. Syracuse Quadball (formerly Quidditch), Calgary Quadball (Calgary Quidditch Club), and Brandeis Quadball(Quidditch) Alumni Group. If you do a similar FB search for "quiddich" you find that the number of FB groups with "quiddich" in their name that are actual organizations (federations, leagues, clubs, teams) using "quiddich" is dwarfed by the number using "quadball"; most of the groups with "quiddich" in their names are fan groups, pertain to the fiction, or are about the real game but are effectively defunct (are from a long time ago and have like 12 or 32 members in them). And some that have "quiddich" in their names because they've not bothered to rename the group make it clear they know the game is now called quadball, e.g. Central Ohio Quidditch Pickups reads "A group to organize quidditch (formally, quadball) pickups in Columbus and the surrounding areas."  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  21:43, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

  I found heaps of quidditch as a real life sport over the last year. Where you see quadball it's an official organization as opposed to the sport in general. I used "still used a lot" as opposed to used more often than not. Sorry I wasn't more clear. But this should be on the sport in general with organizational differences placed in the article. As I said before... this is like tennis where professional organization articles are at ATP or WTA or ITF articles. The governing bodies have different names and restrictions that playing tennis in a park does not. This is the generalized article on the sport not a professional one. That professional/organized aspect could even be split off as its own Quadball article. Fyunck(click) (talk) 22:02, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

  That the official rules of tennis as promulgated by ATP, WTA, or ITF aren't always observed on neighborhood courts in a park doesn't appear to have anything at all to do with the naming of the Tennis article, so that seems to just be a big non sequitur or a best a false analogy. PS: I don't think more than a handful of the Facebook groups I mentioned are "official" in any way; they're mostly local to regional informal groups. But the fact that the formally organized federations and leagues and such are moving to "quadball" is very signifant, and not somethig to ignore. But (unlike the what the commenter immediately below, RyanAl6, claims) it is not only those organizations using the newer term, including in news and other source material.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  04:53, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

  I didn't say to ignore the new changes by official leagues. It certainly needs mention in a new article or a prominent place in this article. But with world-wide understanding of the term Quidditch, and it is still heavily used, I don't feel we should be changing the article title. We have editors tryin to change the names of the equipment here so no more Quaffles, Bludgers or Snitches. That's not the Quidditch that kids play in school or parks, or my local church plays. We have real-life Quidditch and we have Quadball that is similar and that they can gain advertising dollars or can distance themselves for political reasons. Quadball is a subset of the Quidditch community or it's separate. I see no reason, since it's changing so much, that we can't have a Quadball article with volleyballs, dodgeballs, and tennis balls. Fyunck(click) (talk) 07:44, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose As others have said, an organization changing its official name for the sport doesn't mean Quidditch isn't still the more recognizable name among the general public. The only times it seems this sport is referred to as quadball in the media is when writing about the International Quadball Association or US Quadball, but there's many other examples of the continuing use of the name quidditch. RyanAl6 (talk) 21:47, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Sports has been notified of this discussion. —usernamekiran (talk) 03:46, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Women's sport has been notified of this discussion. —usernamekiran (talk) 03:46, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

• Support per WP:NATURALDISAMBIGUATION. Rreagan007 (talk) 17:07, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose per Sleath56; not the common/recognisable name, so why would we use it? Happy days, ~ Lindsay^Hello 17:12, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose per COMMONNAME.--Ortizesp (talk) 21:20, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose per COMMONNAME related to the Harry Potter game (the players ride broomsticks, for Dumbledore's sake). Randy Kryn (talk) 02:55, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

  This article isn't about the sport played in Harry Potter though. It's a modified version of the sport which has a different name. -- NotCharizard ^🗨 02:19, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

  The rules have changed a bit, but the core rules remain and the players are still riding around on broomsticks chasing a snitch. Until they stop riding broomsticks this seems to be the inspired game and the common name (the first mention, and possibly page name, was 'Muggle quidditch' for a long time, so per Hameltion below that would work too). Randy Kryn (talk) 03:08, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

  In Quidditch you are correct. But Quadball doesn't chase around a snitch, it's simply called a tennis ball. I still would say Quadball is a subset of Quidditch, definitely not the obverse. So I would have it as a subsection of Quidditch (real-life sport) or perhaps Muggle Quidditch. But if not then spin off Quadball to a new article and make sure everything Quidditch redirects to this article. Let Quadball stand on it's own two feet. Fyunck(click) (talk) 06:46, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

• Comment Wonder whether Muggle quidditch is a more natural way to disambiguate than the current parenthetical. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 13:59, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

  I laughed at this comment, but after a few seconds I begin to think you could be correct. Fyunck(click) (talk) 18:55, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

Comment I urge everyone voting to please read the article and understand that quadball is not the same game as quidditch in harry potter. it is inspired by but has been highly modified over almost twenty years. i worry people are voting oppose because they believe they are the same sport - part of the reason for the name change was to do with the fact that some people still play harry potter style quidditch and a differentiation was needed. -- NotCharizard ^🗨 02:25, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

See my comment above, but you do realize they are riding on broomsticks? Maybe the league should have a separate page since they changed their name a year ago, as suggested by an editor above, and leave the game under its common name as played by everyone else. Randy Kryn (talk) 04:22, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

Then I would say this. Real life Quidditch is the same sport using the same terms... except you don't really fly. If as you say, Quadball is not the same game, then it needs a separate article. I have already said this a couple passages up and you are making my argument for me. And you are wrong about the reason for the change in name and even the new names for the balls. It was pressure from advertisers and the fact the terms are copyrighted. They were worried about being sued! Make a new article about Quadball as this one has always been about Quidditch. Then you can merge the Quadball stuff from this article into the new article. Fyunck(click) (talk) 04:24, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

I'm not sure what broomsticks have to do with it? I hope I don't sound argumentative, I'm cool with however the votes go but I just want to be clear for people unfamiliar with the sport because I worry people are misunderstand, as it is a bit confusing, and I'm also confused by some peoples arguments. This article describes a sport in which players wear headbands, there are three bludgers, and has a rulebook by the IQA. If we moved all the information about quadball to a new article, which I'm okay with doing, there wouldn't be much left at all in this article. Could you explain which bits you'd want to keep? I'm not really sure what you're reffering to as quidditch. -- NotCharizard ^🗨 08:44, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

Slightly off-topic, but Notcharizard can you tell me where people still play Harry Potter-style quidditch? Because i really really want to go and see flying broomsticks. Happy days, ~ Lindsay^Hello 08:31, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

Are you being sarcastic? I am not sure what you mean. I said "Harry Potter-style" not exact. Please don't make fun of me. -- NotCharizard ^🗨 08:38, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

Actually what has been happening is that bludgers is being replaced in the article by editors. Quadball has volleyballs, dodgeballs, and flags... no Quaffles, Bludgers, or Snitches. It's described as a sport that combines rugby, dodgeball, and basketball... really nothing Harry Potter related at all, so there would still be lots to talk about here since those terms would be in use all the neighborhood games and churches. The Quadball article wouldn't have those Harry Potter terms at all. It's the fact they want to advertise that has changed the game into something different. Fyunck(click) (talk) 09:03, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

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