Talk:Quebec City/Archive 1

Archive 1

Archive 2

Discussion from 2004 to early 2005

The population is incorrect, as it predates the 2002 anexation of many cities of the greater Quebec metropolitan

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If the city's official name in English is Québec, shouldn't this article be at "Québec, Quebec" or similar? Marnanel 01:00, 17 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Usual practice is to use the most common name. Most Anglophone Canadians know the city as Quebec City. However, we do have redirects from other variants such as Québec, Quebec and Quebec, Quebec. - Montréalais 03:20, 20 Jun 2004 (UTC)

In the English part of the Quebec City city government website, the city is called "Québec City" in English, albeit unofficially. http://www.ville.quebec.qc.ca/en/accueil/index.shtml--Aquarius rising 04:27, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

Quebec City is the English-language version, and should be used the same way that Wikipedia refers to Warsaw, Rome, Prague, etc., not Warszawa, Roma and Praha. And frankly, given that Quebec City is a completely English term, writing it as Québec City is ridiculous (amounts to simply insérting accénts éverywhéré without régard to contéxt). Skeezix1000 18:14, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

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"Laval University is located in the western end of the city. Founded by the Jesuits one year before Harvard University, Laval was the first university in North America."

Laval University was founded in 1663, as read on the wiki entry. Harvard was founded in 1636, predating Laval University by 27 years

Peter Wye 01:36, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Indeed. If 1663 is the right date, then the line should be removed. Also, Laval University was actually founded as a university in 1852 out of a seminary founded in 1663. I presume Harvard was also a college at its foundation. I presume it was not founded as a university from day one.

I will try to find out if 1663 really is the foundation date of the Séminaire de Québec. The Jesuits founded the Collège de Québec sometime in 1635. This is probably where the confusion comes from. People think that Laval University started as the Collège de Québec rather than the Séminaire de Québec.

-- Mathieugp 12:31, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Collège de Québec is actually now Collège Saint-Charles-Garnier, and it doesn't appear to be a university (anymore anyway). ] I'm just going to delete the line about Laval University being the oldest to avoid any confusion. --JF

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Shouldn't this article be at either Quebec, Quebec or at just Quebec City? It seems like we're disambiguating twice for no reason. john k 16:00, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

(I'd prefer just "Quebec City", BTW). john k 16:00, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

We're not using the word "City" to disambiguate; we're using it because that's what it's most frequently called: I'm going to Quebec City this week. We add the ", Quebec" to follow the usual form for Canadian city articles. - Montréalais

Map

Please do not keep changing the map. The one you stole from the Quebec government is POV, because of its border with Labrador. -- Earl Andrew - talk 01:16, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

This article is a disaster.

Indeed. Any suggestions? I'm going to do something about that 2008 section, which is very distracting at the moment. Jkelly 03:28, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

Yes, I'd like to see the events sections moved to a separate page or removed altogether. I also find the "Le Québec/Au Québec" discussion too prominent in the summary and of little interest to native English speakers interested in Quebec City, not French grammar. -Jeromeg 11:19, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

The article would be improved in my eyes if it had a map in the upper right-hand corner which would place the city within the province and within the state (the way it is shown for most American towns and cities). Whichiswhich (talk) 07:30, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

population

I reverted this change to the population figures because the user who made it has done nothing but change numbers without edit summaries or sources, and in one case did so in a way that directly contradicted a cited, reliable source. However, there's no source for the population number that's there now either, and the 2001 census gives the population as 169,076. This needs fixing. —Charles P. (Mirv) 23:52, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

Not sure where to write this, but I'm challenging the fact that Quebec City is the second largest city in Quebec after Montreal.

It is second in importance, true, but population wise, it is fourth after Laval and Longueuil. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sir John Falstaff (talk • contribs) 18:01, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

You might want to take a look at List_of_the_100_largest_municipalities_in_Canada_by_population. Quebec City is number two in Quebec in raw numbers, city only. Maybe if Laval includes its "suburbs" (Montreal's "North crown", i.e. including the surrounding North shore) and if Longueuil includes its "suburbs" (the entire South Shore: Brossard (or is it part of Longueuil now?), Châteaugay, St-Basile-le-Grand... depends how far you want to go...), then each may be larger than Quebec City (plus its suburbs). Montreal itself has 1.6 million, the island 1.8, and the "metropolitan area" something like 3.5-3.6 millions, which equates roughly to about a million each for extended definitions of "Laval" and "Longueuil". But without including suburbs in population counts, Quebec City is indeed the second largest city in Quebec.--Boffob (talk) 05:26, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

That's right. It depends on whether you look at the data for the "city" or the "census metropolitan area". However, I think that Quebec is the 2nd largest city including suburbs, as Laval and Longeuil would be counted as part of Montreal.

Census data for 2006 is available: Statistics Canada: 2006 Community Profiles. Whatever the ranking of Quebec City, I think it's time to update the data to 2006 figures.

LK (t|c) 18:39, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Move

• Support. The word "City" is good enough to distinguish it from the province of Quebec, and is already unambiguous. What advantage besides consistency with U.S. cities besides New York City (which is titled as such, not as "New York City, New York") does the province name as an additional suffix have?? Georgia guy 23:17, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
• Oppose: move would depart from the standard for Canadian cities. Jonathunder 03:07, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
  • "City, Province" is not the standard for notable Canadian cities. Therefore, the proposed move would be consistent with the standard. Skeezix1000 18:19, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
• Support Contravenes the common naming convention: Quebec City is sufficiently distinct without subjugating a user to type additional text, and a redirect to the alternate term is redundant. And what standard? Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver, Ottawa et al. aren't so entitled ... and recent attempts to do so again for Hogtown were again nixed when a consensus of editors there didn't support it. Moreover, as I contend, this standard – where Canadian cities are unnecessarily rolled in with American ones – was adopted for Canadian cities (methinks) without an appropriate consensus anyway and a separate proposal is forthcoming. E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 04:01, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
• Weak support I think there's not much to say against the statu quo. Circeus 04:39, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
• Strong support -- I know the Americans are really wedded to the "city, state" format, but other notable Canadian cities do not follow that form. Skeezix1000 18:19, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

*Oppose. Darkildor 17:02, 19 May 2006 (UTC) - Consensus was reached 4 months ago. To raise the issue again, please follow the process in Wikipedia:Requested moves. Thanks.--Skeezix1000 17:31, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Moved. —Nightstallion (?) 08:19, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

History of Quebec City article created

In case anyone would be interested.... Juppiter 05:21, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Québec City page will change...

It's so boring to read this page vs the french page. So, I will add things for to be fun to read. This page will be seeing by a lot of people in the near future... so... need change.

MaThQc 21:42, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Metropolis?

I removed the reference to Quebec City being "the metropolis of the east" because that is incorrect. Montreal is the metropolis of the Province of Quebec, while Quebec is the capital (such as is the case of many American states).Archiesteel 17:12, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

I see someone put "Metropolis of the East" back...I'd be curious to hear the reasoning behind this. Among Quebecois, the "Métropole" is Montreal and the "Capitale" (or even "Capital Nationale", which is a bit more controversial) is Quebec City. I'm applying the change again unless a good rationale can be given here for keeping the "Metropolis of the East" reference.Archiesteel 17:12, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

The ONU qualify Metropolis has a city with 8 millions people, but Montréal don't have 8 millions people or Metropolis is a city with a power in a particular region. Here, in Quebec City, in the medias, we named Québec has a Metropolis like Montréal, Toronto or Vancouver. That's why we name Québec City metropolitan area. So, I will changed your modify. Next time, go here and we will talk. MaThQc 22:08, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

(Sorry, I had written this on your talk page instead - I'm re-writing it here...) Salut MaThQc...j'imagine que tu parle français puisque tu as écrit "ONU" plutôt que "UN" ;-)... À propos du mot "Métropole"...en général, on l'oppose à celui de "Capitale," la métropole étant un centre d'affaires, à vocation économique, tandis que la capitale représente une fonction gouvernementale (c'est le siège du pouvoir). Parfois, les deux villes sont la même (comme pour Paris en France, et Londres en Angleterre). Parfois, elles sont distinctes (ex. New York et Albany, Dallas et Houston, Los Angeles et Sacramento). C'est le cas pour la province de Québec: Montréal est la métropole, Québec la capitale, ce qui va dans le même sens que l'usage courant au Québec (on a qu'à se souvenir de Télé-Métropole et Télé-Capitale). Le sens du mot étant sensiblement le même en anglais, je crois que l'on devrait donc s'abstenir d'affubler Québec de cet attribut...de plus, l'usage de l'adjectif "métropolitain" (metropolitan) ne signifie pas nécessairement qu'il s'agisse d'une Métropole. Archiesteel 20:07, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Quebec City is not really a metropolis in the English-language sense of the word. The Quebec City metropolitan area is the city itself with all surrounding municipalities that have a high degree of social and economic integration with the core city. And Quebec City is part of a census metropolitan area. Skeezix1000 21:55, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

I agree with Skeezix, and while I appreciate the response MaThQc gave me on my talk page, I still think the use of the word here is too controversial, and should be removed.Archiesteel 22:38, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Je t,ai répondu hier soir sur ta page de discussion. MaThQc 02:43, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Too many images.

way too many images in the start of this article IMO.

moving

I am moving Quebec City/Archive 1 to Quebec City/Archive 1 capital. --Elmo125.467/891.011.121.415.164.057.984.887.982.481.215.470.890.199.919.652.468.Yay 01:51, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Second oldest?

Quebec City is the second-oldest existing European settlement in Canada (after Saint John, New Brunswick)

Are we sure? Saint John is the oldest "incorporated" city, but Quebec is the oldest permanent settlement.

http://www.cityofsaintjohn.com/2.cfm?PageID=3-4-40#sjincorp (On St. John the Baptist Day, June 24, 1604, French explorer Samuel de Champlain landed at the mouth of a mighty river which he named St. John in honour of the day. Nearly thirty years later, Charles de LaTour, self-appointed Governor of Acadia, settled at the mouth of the St. John River.)--BarLaf 00:57, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

"Quebec City is not the oldest settlement in Canada; Port Royal, Nova Scotia, St. John's) and Tadoussac, Quebec were all created earlier. However Quebec city is the first to have been founded with the explicit goal of receiving permanent settlement and not as a commercial outpost, and therefore is often considered to be the first city in Canada."

That's what I learned from my history lessons anyway. St-John's was a harbour with no permanent inhabitants, while Tadoussac was a trading station for fur exchanges. They only grew into cities later. UnHoly 05:22, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

User 134.153.130.143 changed the sentence to "only Port-Royal, St-John's and Tadoussac were created earlier". Can we get a source for this? UnHoly 12:04, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Highest falls?

"Quebec City has... Highest falls in Canada, the Chutes Montmorency"

I believe Della Falls in B.C. is the highest at 440m.

http://mapx.map.vgd.gov.lv/geo3/Ukr/Pamatlapas_Slices/Arzemes_E/Pasaules%20augstakie_E.htm

--64.42.209.81 17:32, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

OK, I removed that claim. Other claims in that sections are dubious but I can't check their veracity so I'll leave them for now. Someone should look into it.--70.81.13.192 23:09, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

The Atlas of Canada has a listing of all important falls, coast to coast:

http://atlas.nrcan.gc.ca/site/english/learningresources/facts/waterfalls.html/document_view

The Chutes Montmorency rank 8th. Niagara falls rank 12th/13th. -- Mathieugp 00:31, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Highest proportion of freeway in the world?

There is a claim at the end which states that Quebec City has "The highest proportion of freeway by inhabitant in the world"....I had heard that amongst the metropolitan areas in Canada, Quebec did have the highest proportion of freeway (which i can't confirm anywhere anyway)...but the highest proportion in the world? For some reason i highly doubt that...can anyone confirm? User:fcsk 04 July 2006

Cathedral

Corrected and clarified information relating to the Cathedral-Basilica. It isn't the first Cathedral in the New World (that's in Santa Domingo, built in 1503). The term "see" was used incorrectly to refer to the building; "see" refers to a diocese. Changed the pipe of primate church to primatial, to make it grammatically correct.--Cantabwarrior 13:41, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Major edits

Alright, to the best of my ability I cleaned up the page, added a new page on Notre Dame Des Victoires, and removed a ton of red links. Hopefully we can get some residents of Quebec to fill in the blanks that I removed - I'd rather see blue than black! Synthetic 13:38, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Wall of Quebec

Why isn't there anything about the wall of Quebec?

Add it! Find a good source and add the detail. I thought the wall was really neat, but do not know enough about the city to add the info. Fundamentaldan 21:44, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Picture Arrangement

Under the municipal government section, I changed the pictures to side-by-side instead of both on the right side following each other. That gave too much of a gap of white space, in my mind. If anyone does not like this arrangement, just let me know. Fundamentaldan 21:44, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Museums

Added links to official websites of museums listed on the page. I attempted to link directly to the English index page if the main index page did not offer a prominent choice between English and French.

Cantabwarrior 15:02, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Oldest hospital

Hôtel Dieu de Québec is indeed the oldest hospital in North America, as it says on their website here: http://www.chuq.qc.ca/fr/le_chuq/nos_etablissements/hdq/

However the citation is in French... can we add that as a source in the English Wikipedia?

 The Hospital de Jesus Nazareno is older (1524) according to their web site: http://www.hospitaldejesus.com.mx/
 Fixed the entry..

WE NEED A PIC FOR QUEBEC CITY

Can someone add this pic for Quebec Citys main picture? http://www.gonomad.com/destinations/0205/Quebec/quebecriver2.gif

Weird sentence

"The chief of Parliament, the National Assembly of Quebec (provincial parliament) ... [and some other things that aren't relevant] ... are found within or near Vieux-Québec."

I'm puzzled by the phrase "chief of Parliament". What is this supposed to mean? Has a word dropped out, like "seat"? (I.e. the main Parliament building is located in the old city, but it sometimes meets elsewhere). Also, the phrase "provincial parliament" in parentheses afterwords seems superfluous. --Jfruh (talk) 22:05, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

== Quebec City has... ==

This section was removed a short while ago. It may well be too messy for the article in its present form, but there is probably a lot of good information that should be incorporated into the body of the article. I've copied it here so that the notes aren't lost. --Ckatz^chat_spy 21:14, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Quebec City has...

• UNESCO historic site 11, rue de l'Ancien-Chantier
• The oldest hospital north of Mexico, the Hôtel-Dieu de Québec (founded 1639)
• The oldest school in Canada, the Ecole des Ursulines (founded 1639),
• The oldest inn of North America, the Auberge du Trésor
• The status of the only walled North American city north of Mexico
• The oldest learned society in Canada, the Literary and Historical Society of Québec (founded 1824,
• The oldest Catholic diocese north of Mexico (founded 1608)
• The oldest community radio station in Canada, CKRL
• The oldest symphonic formation of Canada, the Orchestre symphonique de Québec
• The oldest commercial quarter in North America, the Petit-Champlain
• The only French language newspaper written by immigrants for immigrants in Canada, the Les Immigrants de la Capitale
• The largest shopping center in Eastern Canada, Place Laurier
• The oldest international festival of theatre in Canada, the Carrefour international de théâtre de Québec
• The longest-spanned cantilever bridge in the world, the Québec Bridge
• The eighth highest waterfall in Canada, The Chutes Montmorency
• The highest proportion of freeway per inhabitant in the world,
• An asteroid named in its honour, (35165) Québec.
• Its name in NATO phonetic alphabet as the letter Q

For the record, the first point was added because the article (now deleted) was an orphan. That building IS NOT a UNESCO site. It's the historic district in which it is located that is. Circeus 22:04, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

The asteroid and the phonetic letter seem to refer to the province rather than the city. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.15.164.100 (talk) 16:48, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Famous Quebec City natives and residents

Mario Lemieux (born in Montreal), Martin Brodeur (also born in Montreal) and Martin St. Louis (born in Laval) are Quebec residents? I've never heard of that before. Anyone can confirm this?

To CKatz

It is a lie to pretend that no people from quebec took part to the attack on the american side. It is also a point of view to pretend it was futile.

If you remove it again I will have to put a official complain to the administrator for this British point of view. If they talk about Isaak Brook in relation to a french city it is certainly normal to talk about the people in Quebec who try to liberate their own city from the invader. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Republique2007 (talk • contribs) 14:50, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

To CKAtz # 2

It's too bad wikipedia article seems to be British Imperialist slur Beause this is the anniversary of the French City

Apparently we can talk about the city being invaded but not that it was successufully defended by Frontenac in 1690 English don't seems to like their lost

Apparently you don't beleive either me when I say that People from Quebec were with the american in 1775 300 french Quebeckers and many more in parish around the city were fighting for the liberation of Quebec Most of the tools for the siege came from Saint-Maurice ironworks In the picture on the link you can see a third blue dot That is James Livingston and his Quebecois à Saint-John Gates That reality is unknown because british try to erase it very badly And the lies continue on Wikipedia... While apparently Brock is important to quebec city (?)

http://www.britishbattles.com/battle-of-quebec-1775.htm http://www.grimshaworigin.org/WebPages/WilmRev1.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by Republique2007 (talk • contribs) 21:18, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Somebody messed

With this page , tgis morning a perv pic was shown when you clicked this article bah.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.124.96.171 (talk) 16:08, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

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Demographics Discrepency

Why is the population for the administrative area (local government) city given at 528,595 earlier in the page, and then given at 683,000 in the demographics section? This page is about the city administrative area not the metro and the demographic number should reflect the city and not the metro. --Criticalthinker (talk) 10:00, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

national capital

I put in the article the fact that the city is called the capital national, as the governments do in both provincial and city level. Wassup54

It seems that some federalist or english canadian is against this idea, too bad that the city is OFFICIALY named that way, so please stop editing the national capital mention. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.94.229.16 (talk) 23:42, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

It seems that some Separatist or French Canadian has a POV problem. Quebec City is clearly the capital city of the province of Quebec. "National" capital is obviously a POV and there could possibly have a section discussing that but not in the introduction. I've added the fact that it is within the Capitale-Nationale region of Quebec, so perhaps that will assuage you. DoubleBlue (Talk) 01:02, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

I would like to mention that "National Capital" is not separatism. It refers to the idea that Quebec is a nation within Canada, as it was recognize by the federal government not so long ago. Therefore, Quebec is the capital of the Quebec nation. Quebec is refered to as the National Capital by the provincial government of Quebec, both by separatist and non-separatist government. "National Capital" is worth of mention in the introduction, as much as the nicknames of New York City are used in the introduction of the article. I will wait for further comments before changing the article, in order not to have a stupid edit war. S23678 02:55, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

It is not as straight-forward as you represent and therefore should not be simply stated as a fact in the introduction. The exact meaning of the Québécois nation motion is unclear but it definitely recognised the Québécois people (whatever that means) and not the province as a nation. As I said, a section discussing it would be possible. DoubleBlue (Talk) 02:10, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

I agree with DoubleBlue. Referring to it as a "national" capital is extremely POV, as it is only a provincial capital, and has no status outside of that. GreenJoe 02:20, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Calling Quebec related things using the word "national" or "nationale" is not a recent thing, but actually goes back to the days of the Union Nationale, long before the Parti Québécois. Whether some Wikipedians disagree with it or not, when it comes to official names of administrative regions and other things, it's not POV, it's what they're called. See the naming conventions.--Boffob (talk) 04:57, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

GreenJoe: Yes, Quebec City IS a provincial capital. The name "National Capital" is not a status, it's a nickname, just as New York City is refered as "The Big Apple"; That doesn't mean that New York City is an apple... But, Quebec City is refered as "Capitale Nationale" in french (maybe the article should use the french version). If not, why would it be in the administrative region called Capitale-Nationale, as mentionned by User DoubleBlue.

DoubleBlue: I realise that Quebec City may not be called at all "National Capital" in English medias, therefore reducing the importance of the term. I would agree to refer to "National Capital" somewhere else in the text. S23678 06:23, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Are there reliable sources that use the term "National Capital" (not Capitale-Nationale) to describe Quebec City? DigitalC (talk) 07:12, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Nowhere in the article does it mention "National Capital" as a nickname, there are only mentions of Capitale-Nationale as the administrative region, so no sources are needed. The most common nickname used for Québec, as far as I know, at least in French, is "la vieille capitale" (capitalization of Vieille and Capitale may vary). That one is in the infobox, and unsourced, but google "vieille capitale" and there are plenty of choices to prove the existence of that nickname if necessary.--Boffob (talk) 11:11, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Nowhere in the article does it CURRENTLY mention "National Capital" as a nickname, or definition. However, others have argued for that. Without sources that use it in that context, it should not be used as such. DigitalC (talk) 11:48, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

I've contacted the toponymy section of Quebec City and "Capitale Nationale" is being used officially by the city sometimes. I've had this response by phone, I will ask for an answer by e-mail, and I'll post it here. S23678 16:15, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Again, are there reliable sources that use the term "National Capital" (not Capitale-Nationale) to describe Quebec City? DigitalC (talk) 00:27, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

As currently written, this article describes Quebec City as the capital of Quebec, and then goes on to mention Capitale-Nationale later in the same paragraph. I don't see why this needs to be handled any differently than that. Bearcat (talk) 17:04, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Because the nickname "National Capital" is not the same as the Capitale-Nationale region, just as New York City is not the same as New York State...! Also, the other provincial capitals don't have the nickname "National Capital". If you look at the articles about Winnipeg and Toronto and look on the infobox at their nicknames, there's some non-official names that are commonly accepted as their nickname. I'll remind that I'm waiting for an answer from Quebec City on the status of "National Capital" as a name or a nickname for the city, without editing anything for now. Your Personal feelings about if Quebec City should or should not be called National Capital or not has nothing to do with that discussion, and should not be influenced by any federalist or separatist affiliation. S23678 21:01, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

I don't think the issue is if it should be called that, the issue is how it should be listed as such on the page. No one has disputed that it is called that either offically or as a nickname. -Djsasso (talk) 20:11, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

To be perfectly honest, I think you're conflating two different things. Nobody's disputing that Quebec City is located in an administrative region whose official name is Capitale-Nationale, but it's far from clear that this makes "National Capital" a generally-used nickname for the city in the sense that "Hogtown" or "The Big Smoke" exist as nicknames for Toronto. The fact that Toronto is located within the Greater Toronto Area doesn't make "Greater Toronto Area" a nickname for the city of Toronto. And even if it does exist as a nickname, that still doesn't justify changing the basic description of the city from "capital of Quebec" to "national capital of Quebec" in the very first line of the article's body text, because in English that construction only means capital of an independent country. And I'll thank you to stop making assumptions about my personal motivations here — I'm certain that you think you know my personal feelings about Quebec sovereignty, but I can virtually guarantee you that your assumptions are wrong. Bearcat (talk) 21:50, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

And "Big Apple" only means an apple? It's a nickname... it's not the REAL NAME, but anyway, I'm not going to post anything more until I've have an official answer. Let's just wait for the answer, which I'll post as soon as I have it. S23678 19:56, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

What you tried to do here is not akin to saying "New York City is nicknamed The Big Apple"; it's akin to using the phrase "Big Apple" to replace the primary description of New York City's fundamental characteristics. The equivalent edit to New York City's article would have said "New York City is the Big Apple of the United States" instead of "New York City, nicknamed The Big Apple, is the largest city in the United States". The article as currently written takes the correct approach to this issue: Quebec City... is the capital of the Canadian province of Quebec and is located within the Capitale-Nationale region. Bearcat (talk) 19:47, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

I reverted the addition of a statement that QC is often refered to as Capitale-National, because it was unsourced. Furthermore, who is it often refered to as Nationale-Capitale by? This is not as bad as saying it is refered to as National Capital, but any contentious addition to the article should be sourced. DigitalC (talk) 05:26, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

A number of POV edits re Quebec based articles have been done recently from the IP 65.94.163.84 and those in the 65.94.xx.xx range. This was but one of many. Dbrodbeck (talk) 10:56, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

I did put the source like you wanted me to do. I hope it solves everything —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.94.167.251 (talk) 07:03, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

First off I would, and I think everyone else would, appreciate it 65.94.xx.xx if you would either sign in or create an account. The larger issue though is should this be in the English wikipedia? It seems to take a long explanation, and is currently quite confusing. Plus, 'capitale nationale' is not English, so I am wondering if a non English nickname is even relevant here, especially one that confuses and must be explained. Dbrodbeck (talk) 11:26, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

I removed the statement. For one thing, the "capitale nationale" as a nickname is dubious (it's more of a description). I know some people consider Québec City to be a national capital (this is a political/cultural issue), but it's not the expression they use as a nickname for the city (that would be "la vieille capitale"). Second, the source has no "official value" and does not address any nickname issue. The whole Québec is a nation and Québec City is its capital debate, I believe, should be left out of this article. It's a can of worms that'll only bring confusion and edit wars. Québec City is in the administrative region (division) called Capitale-Nationale. That's all we can say that is relevant.--Boffob (talk) 20:58, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

I just wanted to point out that Quebec City is by law the national capital of Quebec:

http://www.canlii.org/qc/laws/sta/c-33.1/20080515/whole.html

as Ottawa is by law the national capital of Canada:

http://lois.justice.gc.ca/en/showtdm/cs/N-4

Quebecers, through their representatives in the National Assembly of Quebec, voted Quebec City, a provincial captital, as their national capital, as Canadians, through their representatives in the Parliament of Canada, voted Ottawa, a federal capital, as their national capital. It seems rather futile to deny such a plain statement of easily verifiable evidence. -- Mathieugp (talk) 21:34, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

That doesn't make it a nickname. And the technical/legal ramifications of the rest are not really useful to the article now, are they? If one starts writing "Québec is a nation", a significant number of people will read it as "country", so to avoid confusion you'll need a lengthy discussion of the differences between the notions of "nation" and "country", what the provincial government says, what the federal government said (Québécois form a nation, which is not the same thing...), read through lengthy bills and laws, filled with legalese that'll be just as confusing if not more than the original short statement. That's not improvement.--Boffob (talk) 22:43, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

I do not want to violate any 3rr stuff, but again this has been changed by 65.94.xx.xx. On my talk page he/she claims that the talk page says that everyone agrees with him or her. I leave it to other editors to deal with this, as, apparently, 65 thinks the talk page supports his or her idea. Dbrodbeck (talk) 04:50, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

I never said anything about it being a "nickname". That would be rather odd if it were so. Nicknames tend to be, well, not formal-sounding like Capitale nationale du Québec. ;-) I was referring to the status conferred to the city by the law of Quebec. It certainly is worthy of mention that in virtue of the law of the Parliament of Quebec, Québec City is the national capital of Québec and that a Commission, consisting of a 13-member board of directors, is responsible for the development, improvement and preservation of its institutions, sites and monuments. -- Mathieugp (talk) 20:50, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Mathieugp has already provided the source which is: http://www.canlii.org/qc/laws/sta/c-33.1/20080515/whole.html which is clear that Quebec city is considered as the capital national of Quebec. Now maybe we should work on how to write it on the capital section. Can I count on your collaboration. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.94.163.111 (talk) 04:55, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

For all I know 65, you are Mathieugp, or Wassup54 (who started all of this) because you never sign in. There is not, from my reading of this talk page, general agreement or consensus. The law quoted above would be a translation of a French language law. In French, Capitale Nationale is used now and then Dbrodbeck (talk) 12:50, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

FWIW, as a Quebecer, I agree. "Capitale Nationale" is a moniker that first made appearance on highway road-signs outside Quebec City several years ago. It's regional and provincial marketing pap. Just like any City may have a moniker like "Where Inovation Thrives". this isn't indicative of common usage. I believe that it's a stretch, and mistake, to confuse a marketing slogan invented for socio-political purposes with saying it's "commonly used". It's not commonly used. It's occasionally used, mostly on some highway road signs, far from Quebec City itself. StevenBlack (talk) 16:00, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Dbrodbeck, there is no need for the IP user to create an account if they do not have one, however they should sign their posts. We still have not seen a source that shows that "Capitale Nationale" is commonly used as a nickname for the city. DigitalC (talk) 03:45, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

While it is true that highway road signs is one of the visible results of the government's action in this regard, the mission of the Commission de la capitale nationale du Québec is not limited to this. There is a whole list of the Commission's past accomplishments to prove it here: [1] -- Mathieugp (talk) 20:50, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

However, that still says nothing about the issue at hand.Dbrodbeck (talk) 22:37, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Missing sections

We need some sections about the Cityscape (architecture, neighbourhoods, sights, etc.), Culture (including tourism, media and sports), and Economy (there isn't a huge amount to say but we need a good paragraph nonetheless.) MTLskyline (talk) 18:04, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Page improvements

Due to some necessary page formatting changes, I'm temporarily removing the following photo from the article: Image:VieuxQuebec 2003-0427 VueDeLaVieilleVilleEtDeLaCitadelle.jpg (pipetext "|center|600px|Old Quebec, the walled city.") It is being listed here so that it can be reintegrated, if appropriate, when a more suitable location for it can be found in the article. Bearcat (talk) 18:25, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Bot report : Found duplicate references !

In the last revision I edited, I found duplicate named references, i.e. references sharing the same name, but not having the same content. Please check them, as I am not able to fix them automatically :)

• "StatCan1" :
  • [http://www12.statcan.ca/english/census06/data/profiles/community/Details/Page.cfm?Lang=E&Geo1=CSD&Code1=2423027&Geo2=PR&Code2=24&Data=Count&SearchText=Quebec&SearchType=Begins&SearchPR=01&B1=All&Custom= Statistics Canada.] 2006 Community Profiles - Census Subdivision - Quebec City
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  • [http://www12.statcan.ca/english/census06/data/profiles/community/Details/Page.cfm?Lang=E&Geo1=CMA&Code1=421__&Geo2=PR&Code2=24&Data=Count&SearchText=Quebec&SearchType=Begins&SearchPR=01&B1=All&Custom= Statistics Canada.] 2006 Community Profiles - Census Metropolitan Area - Quebec City
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DumZiBoT (talk) 14:21, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Earthquakes

Why should earthquakes be listed under the history section insted of the geography section? Earthquakes are geography-related. Black Tusk (talk) 21:07, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

No context was established in your addition that would indicate that. Since it was an historic event, it goes in the history section. However, you may also add it to the Geography section if you accompany it with an explanation of the factors that make Quebec City prone to earthquakes. --Pwnage8 (talk) 22:57, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

I have no problem if it's in the geography or history section. I didn't indicate it because Quebec City is mentioned in the 1925 Charlevoix-Kamouraska earthquake article as one of the three damaged areas. Quebec City seems to lie in the Saint Lawrence rift system which is a seismically active zone parallel with the Saint Lawrence River. Black Tusk (talk) 02:13, 11 October 2008 (UTC)