Talk:Qais Abdur Rashid

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Sources

Hi, I have added tags to the article where verification or citation is needed. There hasn't been a provison of sourced reference as of yet, so more attention to the article is warranted. This is what I've done.--Jhelyam (talk) 04:20, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Msrafiq (talk) 10:52, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The names of the children of Saul from the Bible

According to the Bible , the names of Saul's children were
Sons : Jonathan, Ishvi and Malki-Shua.
Daughters : older daughter was Merab, and that of the younger was Michal.

It would vastly improve this article to also include the Islamic sources on (Saul) Talut's children and their descendants .
Intothefire (talk) 17:57, 19 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with the views above by Intothefire that the pedigree given here in this article for Quais/Kais/Kish is not correct. As a Tareen from Haripur area of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa Pakistan, and a Sarbanri Pashtun, I would like to give the full proper pedigree here, below, from Saul King of Isreal to Qais/Kais/Kish:

. Saul King of Israel (tribe of Benjamin) *

Jonathan (Janatan in our pedigrees)

Mephiboset.

Nihash

Hanun

Shimon

Abishai

Mordicai

Shammia

Sarriyah

Hazbalam

Ardabalam

Azmia

Shabib

Abdillohi

Rejep

Yahuda

Beker

Kamikel

Sameon

Naaman

Gamash

Ermel

Reuben

Zebulam

Moshe

Ali zar

Jezer

Rephi

Omri

Aish

Qaleb

Marari

Kamri

Laban

Yakob

Kadish

Mamar

Amar

Madai

Serai

Amikai

Ezrel

Barrah

Al shael

Karmi

Amni

Debir

Alizaer

Balek

Solomon

Alem

Hamud

Jaroham

Boaz

Yunah

Manas

Ailai

Abd

Ard

Jaman

Ald

Mahrah

Hagai

Yari

Abu Ar

Labah

Alimoon

Huhum

Semi

Serriye

Zadan

Jaran

Hadid

Hashabiya

Kanana

Aseph

Azkiya

Irkiya

Saul

Mevah

Akhnuj

Sarol

Jender

Abdah

Naim

Leva/Levi?

Azariya

Zakariya

Sherbiya

Mataniya

Azar

Meshel

Jashua

Arrah

Azgad

Jarrah

Afgana/Akkana?

Mafiya

Irmiya/Jermiah

Aish/Ish

Qais/Kais/Kish converted to Islam circa 634-635 AD, Muslim name Abdul Rasheed

Following sources may be checked also please: (a) Khwaja Niamatullah's 13th-14th century Makhzan i Afghan, (b) Muhammad Hayat Khan's Hayat i Afghan (1865) and (c) Capt RTI Ridgway's The Pathans (1901). They quote some valid exceprts from the correct pedigree, and support it. Ridgways says that its possible that some of the names might not have been properly transcribed from original Hebrew into Arabic and Persian, although some of the Jews of Herat who retained their religion had similar pedigrees and could support these. It is also a misconception that the family or descendants of Saul were removed when many other tribes were, from Israel--it seems that some of them went and settled in Persia and Afghanistan (Bactria, Gandhara) a bit later, as colonists. I hope that please, corrections will be made here thanks. 39.54.193.56 (talk) 13:31, 5 October 2013 (UTC) Prof Dr M Uwais Khan Tareen, Pakistan[reply]

A suggestion to the above poster i.ei Prof. Dr. M Uwais, Sir, please input your information with the relevant references & it will be considered acceptable here. Dr Pukhtunyar Afghan (talk) 18:56, 5 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you dear User:Dr Pukhtunyar Afghan; the source here used and cited, as above, is the Appendix 4, to the original Persian text of Muhammad Hayat Khan Hayat i Afghan pub Lahore, 1865, Section on Tareen tribe (English translation was by HB Priestley, later, Lahore, 1874). If it is useful please feel free to use. It may please be noted that according to Tareen pedigree, Qais/Kish/Kais was 101st in descent from Saul King of Israel, not 37th. Good wishes, 39.54.75.46 (talk) 07:52, 6 October 2013 (UTC)Prof Dr M Uwais Khan Tareen, Pakistan.[reply]

Misconceptions section

I've already reverted this once as not only do I not think the source meets our criteria as WP:RS, it is clearly pov as it contradicts sources that clearly do meet WP:RS. I've raised this at WP:NPOVN#Qais Abdur Rashid. Dougweller (talk) 12:32, 16 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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