Talk:Pune Warriors India/Archive 1

Archive 1

Opening heading

I think that the page should be listed as Pune Warriors, as wikipedia doesn't need to be held to sponsership deals. Crazydude22 (talk) 19:57, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Done. StAnselm (talk) 06:19, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

There was also the issue of consistency with other IPL articles, as well as news sources that don't have the "Sahara" - e.g. Pune Warriors find their coach in Marsh in the Hindustan Times. StAnselm (talk) 21:32, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

The official name is Sahara Pune Warriors as indicated in the logo and also in this cricinfo article Sahara Pune Warriors is new IPL team's name --Ashwinikalantri (talk) 22:36, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

I would consider no reply as an affirmation and am changing the name to Sahara Pune Warriors.--ashwinikalantri ^{(talk • contribs)} 22:25, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Well, I don't think it was legitimate to take no reply as an affirmation, but I note that someone else has reverted your move. Please refer to Wikipedia:Requested moves on how to start a move discussion. StAnselm (talk) 01:14, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

I have quoted a cricinfo article showing the name as 'Sahara Pune Warriors'. More importantly, you can see that name in the logo. I am open to discussion.--ashwinikalantri ^talk 12:54, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

I am quoting this from puneipl.com - "Sahara Adventure Group today announced the name of the New IPL T20 Franchise Team. The name would be called “Sahara Pune Warriors”. Along with Name, Sahara Parivar revealed the official website of Pune Warriors."--ashwinikalantri ^talk 13:01, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Again from the www.sahara.in, the official website of the Sahara India Pariwar - "Sahara India Pariwar owns the coveted IPL franchise - Sahara Pune Warriors - Its newest cricketing property getting ready to doubt in season 4 of the IPL."--ashwinikalantri ^talk 13:04, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Requested move

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No consensus to move. Vegaswikian (talk) 19:55, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Pune Warriors → Sahara Pune Warriors —

I have quoted a cricinfo article showing the name as 'Sahara Pune Warriors'. More importantly, you can see that name in the logo. I am open to discussion.--ashwinikalantri ^talk 12:54, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

I am quoting this from puneipl.com - "Sahara Adventure Group today announced the name of the New IPL T20 Franchise Team. The name would be called “Sahara Pune Warriors”. Along with Name, Sahara Parivar revealed the official website of Pune Warriors."--ashwinikalantri ^talk 13:01, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Again from the www.sahara.in, the official website of the Sahara India Pariwar - "Sahara India Pariwar owns the coveted IPL franchise - Sahara Pune Warriors - Its newest cricketing property getting ready to doubt in season 4 of the IPL."--ashwinikalantri ^talk 13:04, 25 January 2011 (UTC)--ashwinikalantri ^talk 13:25, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

• Mild oppose - the general CricInfo page for the team appears to omit the sponsor name. Also, I would guess that come the IPL itself, people will mostly refer to them as PW. I could well be wrong though!  — Amakuru (talk) 13:52, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

If you see the Sahara India Pariwar's website, you will see that they refer to the team as Sahara Pune Warriors--ashwinikalantri ^talk 15:21, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Owners and sponsors may keep changing , so the team name shall remain without the owner/sponsor name , pune warriors is enough i guess ! SyberGod (talk) 20:06, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

• Oppose Do we move this article every time the sponsor changes? "Pune Warriors" clearly and unambiguously identifies the team without needing the sponsor. Agree with Amakuru about the common name. -- Mattinbgn (talk) 00:23, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
• Oppose Sponsors names should not be used in team titles if an clear alternative exists. The-Pope (talk) 01:03, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
• Oppose. Of course the sponsor's name is used on the official website - that's what sponsorship is - but lots of media references drop the "Sahara". StAnselm (talk) 01:10, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

• Sahara are not the Sponsors they are the owners!! They will not change. Heres another website that quotes that the official name is Sahara Pune Warriors. This is just like the Bangalore team, where the owners have used their product name "Royal Challenge" (an alcoholic drink) as part of the name.--ashwinikalantri ^talk 06:34, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

• Oppose. Sponsors (even owners) are transient, teams much less so. Sahara stick their name on to lots of things such as venues too: we're not obliged to follow and we shouldn't. This is advertising: WP does not accept advertising and should be very cautious about being inveigled into perpetrating it by stealth means. Johnlp (talk) 12:16, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

• This is not advertising! This is the official team name. And these owners dont change, only the players change in the auctions. Do you see the names of Manchester United change? WP should represent everything in its originality. Just because you dont want Sahara to get advertised doesnt mean you change the name! This is the name that is Officially given to the team. But I guess we will have to wait till the IPL website is updated with this name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ashwinikalantri (talk • contribs) 12:37, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

• Even Deccan Chargers, which is owned my Deccan Chronicle, has the owners name in the title. Should we remove "Deccan" and call the team just "Chargers"?--ashwinikalantri ^talk 12:42, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Comment. Manchester United's name does not include the name of their owners or their sponsors; Deccan Chargers is named after a geographic region - see Deccan (disambiguation). Johnlp (talk) 14:38, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

I beg to defer. I am quoting Deccan Chargers article - "The team's name reflects the association with the Deccan Chronicle newspaper, which in turn derives its name from the Deccan plateau." It is upto the owners to name their teams. WP is supposed to published information as it is, not manipulate it. What about Royal Challengers Bangalore and Royal Challenge whiskey? In this case the team logo,40px is also adopted from the logo of the whiskey.--ashwinikalantri ^talk 15:04, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

• Oppose - Brings me back to when we discussed The Oval and its sponsorship names, most recently Brit Oval (which I believe the ground articles main title was) and now the Kia Oval. Sponsors come and go, owners come and go, so we really don't need their names in main article title, at the most a redirect to in this case Pune Warriors and a mention in the article text. AssociateAffiliate (talk) 22:11, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

• Again, Owners and not Sponsors. They have paid big bucks (US$ 370 million!) to keep the franchise for as long as the IPL lasts. What I fail to understand is how can we manipulate the official name? Its in the logo, the official website, other cricketing sites, news...everywhere! --ashwinikalantri ^talk 10:46, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
• Comment - I propose that we wait and see what CricketArchive call them when they play, and follow that. Harrias ^talk 07:18, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

• I guess waiting is the logical thing to do. --ashwinikalantri ^talk 13:22, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

References

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Sahara is not sponsor, but the owner of the team.

I'm not a Sahara employee, but the official name of the team includes Sahara. The move discussion should be reopened, since the current status doesn't reflect the realities. I want to give you an example from soccer clubs like Red Bull New York and FC Red Bull Salzburg. These teams have incorporated the Red Bull logo into the team logos. Company names are not allowed to be used in European championships like UEFA Champions League though, so Red Bull Salzburg has to play there as FC Salzburg. But the official is allowed on the national level. Likewise the official name "Sahara Pune Warriors" is allowed in national competitions and in contrast to football also for the Cricket Champions League. Again, Sahara is not the sponsor, but the owner, and when they decide to remove Sahara from the official name, we can do it too in WP, but at the current status, it has to be included here, too. --Wangond (talk) 23:31, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

player salary

I think the players salaries should also be reported in indian rupee ₹. I dont think everyone is accustomed to dollar.

Breaking up page season wise

I feel that as the seasons will go on, the page will look cluttered with the Fixtures and Results of every season. Instead, we should create a new page for every season, with a detailed scorecard of each match. As an example, you can look at the page Delhi Daredevils in 2012. So we can create pages like Pune Warriors in 2011, Pune Warriors in 2012 and so on. Nipun Bayas (talk) 18:35, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

Infobox

The team does not play in the IPL anymore, so I have changed the infobox from IPL team to cricket team.59.92.168.93 (talk) 15:39, 13 June 2013 (UTC)