Talk:Propaganda

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About sentence in the lead

I wanted to discuss a sentence recently added to the lead of the article. It is "On July 2021, Wikipedia co-founder Larry Sanger have said that the Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia site have became a ‘propaganda’ for left-leaning ‘establishment’ worldwide.".

Although the paragraph it is on discusses the materials in spreading propaganda, the range they have, and that bots spread propaganda, this sentence seems to speak more about the more specific topic of perceived ideological bias in Wikipedia more than about the general topic of propaganda, and might fit better in Ideological bias on Wikipedia than in this article.

As I perceived outright deleting/moving it might be a controversial move, I wanted to discuss it here before making any changes to the page.

Apolo234 (talk) 14:08, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

Lets turn this into a "good article"

What are some ideas for turning this article from a vital C-class article to a GA? Or at least, a B-class article? Philomathes2357 (talk) 07:07, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

Happy to pitch in @Philomathes2357. The first thought that comes to mind is to start by making the article more global and less Western-focused, including in the examples and images. Superb Owl (talk) 21:13, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Many of these examples are not either true propaganda or ineffectual

Posters shown were examples of advertising rather than true propaganda. True propaganda is convincingly able to engineer consent of the mass population. Merely being racist or stereotypical or even nationalistic does not make them true propaganda 97.120.210.206 (talk) 09:49, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

The New Propaganda War

These are excellent articles about propaganda (a MUST read!) dealing with MAGA's war against truth, freedom, and democracy. It is carried on by elements of Trumpism (MAGA, GOP, Trump) and Trump's autocratic dictator friends.

• "The New Propaganda War"
• Oliver Darcy's commentary about it: "Journalist sounds alarm on dangers of propaganda, calling it 'one of the worst crises for American democracy this century'"

The refs are fully usable as is. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 19:44, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

I'm not sure how to use these sources in this article. Perhaps they could be added to the "history" section. That whole section is sub-par, and should certainly have more information about post-Cold War propaganda besides a cursory mention of, of all things, the Yugoslav wars.

However, I'm not convinced that Anne Applebaum's opinion about propaganda is due in this article at all. A stronger argument could be made that her commentary is due in another article, like History of propaganda, Propaganda in the United States, Propaganda in Russia, or Propaganda through media. Philomathes2357 (talk) 06:36, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

I guess it would, as always for any source, depend on how her article is used. Otherwise, as she is an eminent, widely-published, and multi-award-winning subject matter expert on the topic, I don't understand the objection. Check out her bio at Anne Applebaum. It would be hard to find a better source. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 17:12, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

I don't object to using the articles at all. It's just not immediately obvious to me how the sources can be woven into this article as it exists currently. My first thought, like I said, would be the "History" section, which is woefully lacking and could use a lot more information about post-Cold War propaganda. How would you go about incorporating these? Philomathes2357 (talk) 05:48, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

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