Talk:Project Dream/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: CelestialWeevil (talk · contribs) 23:23, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

This looks like a neat topic. I'll do my best to review it well. CelestialWeevil ^(talk) 23:23, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Infobox and lead

• Developed by Rare, the game... – Because the sentence preceding this says 'game' twice, for the sake of variety replacing 'the game' here with 'the project' could ease readability. This applies throughout the rest of the lead, also; there are many instances of 'it' being used to refer to Project Dream, several instances of 'game', and no instances of 'project' aside from the first listing of the title. Unless you think 'project' is a bad descriptor, adding it into the mix would help for variety's sake. It would read less mechanically.
  • Done JOEBRO64 02:50, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

• After transitioning to the N64, it became a larger, 3D RPG... – The comma between 'larger' and '3D' is unnecessary; commas in a series of adjectives are employed when the adjectives are describing the same or a similar aspect of the noun.
  • Done JOEBRO64 02:50, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

• ...larger, 3D RPG that had a larger emphasis... – Two instances of 'larger' in the same sentence could be eased by replacing the former with 'more complex' or the latter with 'greater'.
  • Done JOEBRO64 02:50, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Premise

• The screenshot here is definitely fair use, but you may want to expand the rationale on the image's page to eliminate any doubts.

• ...that focused on a boy named Edison, and his pets... – The comma before 'and' is unnecessary since what follows isn't an independent clause.
  • Done JOEBRO64 02:50, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

• In its story, a band of pirates who piloted airships searched for... – Two things here. To be technically correct, 'who piloted airships' would need to be set off with a comma before and after. Because this would look messy, I recommend changing this sentence beginning to 'In its story, a band of airship-piloting pirates search...' This also fixes the second issue, which is the past-tense 'piloted' and 'searched'. Things within the story should be recounted in present tense. I'll explain this more in the next point.

• As per WP:PLOTPRESENT, everything plot-related after 'In its story...' should be in present tense. 'searched' should be 'search', 'allowed' should be 'allow', and so on.
  • I'm aware of this, but I chose to write about it in the past because, per MOS:VG#Verb tense, canceled/shut down games should be referred to in the past tense. I feel like it'd read kinda weirdly if it jumped from past to present, then to past again. JOEBRO64 02:50, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

• version of the game used an isometric... – This sentence is straight from the lead, so I would change it a little. Two issues can be fixed with one change: replacing 'used' with 'employed'. This would both alter an otherwise copied sentence and alleviate repitition of the word 'used', which appears in the sentence directly after this with 'Edison used a wooden...'
  • Done JOEBRO64 02:50, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

• As per MOS:REFPUNCT, punctuation must precede a reference tag. Reference 1 after 'used a wooden sword' should be moved after the nearest comma.
  • I had no idea. Fixed this and all other instances. JOEBRO64 02:50, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

• became a larger, 3D... – Another unnecessary comma and another opportunity to differentiate body prose from the lead by replacing a word or two.
  • Done JOEBRO64 02:50, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Development

• Disambiguate 'cartridge' and 'David Wise' wikilinks ('cartridge' to ROM cartridge and 'David Wise' to David Wise (composer), probably).
  • Fixed JOEBRO64 02:50, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

• Dream used Donkey Kong Country's graphics technology to an advanced level – This sentence is kind of weird and strikes me as not strictly encyclopedic. You might want to rewrite it.

• At the end of the first paragraph, there's another instance of a reference 1 tag occurring after no punctuation.

• After the transition to the N64... – You could remove an instance of the oft-repeated 'N64' term by changing this sentence beginning to 'After this transition...'
  • Done JOEBRO64 02:50, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

• According to Rare's Gregg Mayles, the team did not want the game to be too childish. – This should have a citation after it. Even if it comes from the same source as the citation at the end of the following sentence, I think it's important to have a tag here since it's talking directly about what Mayles said.
  • Done JOEBRO64 02:50, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

• Another misplaced reference tag, this time reference 5 in paragraph 2.

• ...have human qualities, and was given... – An unnecessary comma
  • Removed JOEBRO64 02:50, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

• They also could not find how it would be enjoyable. – I think it's important to specify by adding 'to play' at the end of this sentence.
  • Done JOEBRO64 02:50, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

• Another misplaced reference tag, this time reference 4 in paragraph 3.

• David Wise was also contributing... – Unnecessary passive voice; I would change this to 'David Wise also contributed...' or 'David Wise was also a contributor...'
  • Fixed JOEBRO64 02:50, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Aftermath and legacy

• ...they realized it was going to set the standard for 3D games and made their project look outdated. – This can be interpreted in a way that's technically correct, but it's an impediment to readability. I would change 'made' to 'make'. It retains mostly the same meaning and smooths it, though not strictly necessary.
  • I've changed to "make" JOEBRO64 02:50, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

References

• On reference 2, add the author's first name, Anthony
  • Whoops, fixed. JOEBRO64 02:50, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

• As per Help:Citation Style 1#Titles and chapters, please use either title or sentence case consistently. References 1 and 2 are title case, while 3, 4, 11, and 13 are sentence case.
  • Put 'em all in title case, since that's what (in my opinion) the most important refs used and they'd look funky if they were in sentence JOEBRO64

• Also as per that help link above, words like 'of' shouldn't be capitalized even if it is in the actual article's title. Reference 6 capitalizes 'of'
  • Done JOEBRO64 02:50, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

• Reference 10 is dead or lost; switch to archive, please
  • Fixed. The deadurl just said "no", changed it to "yes" JOEBRO64 02:50, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

• On reference 13, Gamasutra doesn't italicize their name. Switch it from website= to publisher=
  • Done JOEBRO64 02:50, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

I like the article. It's very interesting. I'll read through again and see if I can find anything else soon. CelestialWeevil ^(talk) 00:27, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

@CelestialWeevil: thank you for reviewing! I've responded to most points. I don't have much time now and I'm going to be off Wikipedia for the weekend; I'll correct any existing/new issues when I get back on. JOEBRO64 02:50, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

@TheJoebro64: Thanks for the prompt action! I've now read the article three times and have verified several citations. It's a good article, and so it passes! Below are a few very minor things that can be improved when you want to:

• In the final paragraph of 'Aftermath and legacy', because "Rare Revealed: A Rare Look at Dream" is a short episode in a bigger series (that being Rare Revealed) it should appear in quotes instead of italics (MOS:MINORWORK)
• In that same section, Rare Replay is wikilinked twice. The second instance doesn't need the link, I think. CelestialWeevil ^(talk) 03:58, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

End comments

1. Well-written: Yep
2. Verifiable with no original research: Yes
3. Broad in its coverage: Yes
4. Neutral: Yes
5. Stable: Yes
6. Illustrated: As much as is possible

Great and interesting article! CelestialWeevil ^(talk) 04:02, 19 October 2018 (UTC)