Talk:Professional organizing

On 4 February 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved to Decluttering. The result of the discussion was not moved.

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i'm very thankful this page exits.useful for complete my cv. i didn't knew what organizer meant.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.195.252.110 (talk) 10:38, 16 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Gibberish

Can anyone tell me what "Professional organizers help redirect paradigms into more useful cross-applications that ensure properly co-sustainable futures for their clients' spaces and processes." means? I'd delete the sentence again, but that would break the 3RR rule. Ho hum. TrulyBlue (talk) 20:29, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It means that professional organizers help systemize persons' processes and help optimize spaces in such a manner that their clients can properly utilize available person-space for optimal living. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.33.70.172 (talk) 01:33, 29 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It means they tidy up your stuff. 63.144.24.250 (talk) 15:58, 13 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Who's NAPO.

Why didn't this company write a wiki about NAPO? That's kind of like if you looked up cell phone in wikipedia and a page about apple was the only thing that came up. what a sneaky way of free advertisement. Oh and by the way if you are interested in hiring an organizer, the first thing you do does not have to be making sure they are certified by NAPO. This company did not create the idea. more like someone found an opportunity to make a buck off of other peoples businesses. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.53.67.177 (talk) 22:34, 11 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 4 February 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. There is no consensus to move Professional organizing to Decluttering. The proposal is opposed by two commenters and supported by none, while the third commenter is undecided. The proposer’s argument is not convincing enough to overcome the objections raised by the opponents, who point out the problems with changing the scope and the meaning of the terms. The proposal also lacks evidence of what the common name is for the industry, which is a key criterion for determining the article title. Therefore, I close this as not moved, and suggest that the proposer either write a separate article on decluttering or improve the existing article on professional organising with reliable sources and a neutral point of view. (closed by non-admin page mover) Vanderwaalforces (talk) 17:23, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Professional organizing → Decluttering – The line between what a professional organizer does and what an individual can do with the same methods are blurred. Decluttering redirects here, and we do not have an article on decluttering, which is a highly popular subject in media. It therefore makes sense to expand this article with methods for decluttering, which arguably are the same for professionals and individuals alike. Professional organizers has been kept as a section Sauer202 (talk) 19:31, 4 February 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Bensci54 (talk) 04:56, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Do we have any evidence of what the WP:COMMONNAME here is? I'm pretty unfamiliar with this industry. Garnet Moss (talk) 23:55, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose The article was clearly started to describe professional organizing. If you wish to write a separate article on decluttering and then redirect or merge this one there, be my guest. But changing scope in that manner isn't what a move discussion is about. The decluttering parts of this article should be excised, and if the remainder isn't notable, this article deleted. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 09:57, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In my opinion it is not very relevant whether the article has been this or that way for a long time or not. We don't have an article about professional volleyball players, but we have one about volleyball. Why should it be different for decluttering? In my opinion, laying out the activity and practices should be the main focus of the article, not whether it should be done by professionals or not. Anyway, it very well may be that the best way forward is to separate the two subjects into different articles, I am not going to oppose it (but I won't be the one doing it either). Sauer202 (talk) 15:34, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is a tricky one. My first inclination was to support Sauer202, but this move would imply that all professional organizers do is (help people) declutter. Organizer (disambiguation) defines a professional organizer as "a person who helps others get organized". Organizing (disambiguation) defines professional organizing as "an industry build around creating organizational systems for individuals and businesses". "Organizing" seems to me the broader term, which includes the concept of sorting – any process of arranging items systematically – as well as decluttering, which Wiktionary defines as "the act or process of removing clutter; tidying, removing unwanted or messy items from a given place." The term strongly implies, in my mind, the concept of mitigating hoarding. An organizer could simply help people who have just the right amount of stuff simply arrange it better. Decluttering implies getting rid of too much stuff. I'm OK with expanding the scope of an article to cover a broader concept which heretofore was not covered by Wikipedia. I'm against narrowing the scope of an article in a way that limits coverage to a more specific topic, while leaving the broader concept without an article. – wbm1058 (talk) 13:39, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Potential sources

Khamis, S. (2019). The aestheticization of restraint: The popular appeal of de-cluttering after the global financial crisis. Journal of Consumer Culture, 19(4), 513-531. https://doi.org/10.1177/1469540519872071
A. Sandlin, J., & Wallin, J. J. (2022). Decluttering the Pandemic: Marie Kondo, Minimalism, and the “Joy” of Waste. Cultural Studies ↔ Critical Methodologies, 22(1), 96-102. https://doi.org/10.1177/15327086211049703

Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 08:18, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]