Talk:Production vehicle

Discussion of definition of a production car

There is a discussion of the definition of a production car Talk:List of fastest production cars#Page protected/20 car limit - new discussion.

In particular, the question being considered:

• Is the restriction of have had 20 or more instances made currently being used by this list appropriate
• If not, what changes should be made to the definition

The list currently uses the same definition as the List of automotive superlatives:

In order to keep the entries relevant, the list (except for the firsts section) is limited to automobiles built after World War II, and lists superlatives for earlier vehicles separately. The list is also limited to production road cars that:

• are constructed principally for retail sale to consumers, for their personal use, and to transport people on public roads (no commercial or industrial vehicles are eligible);
• have had 20 or more instances made by the original vehicle manufacturer, and offered for commercial sale to the public in new condition (cars modified by either professional tuners or individuals are not eligible);
• are street-legal in their intended markets, and capable of passing any official tests or inspections required to be granted this status.

The alternative definition from this List of fastest cars by acceleration is:

This list includes full production cars only; concept, modified, very limited-production, and race cars of any kind are not considered. If an independent time becomes available, that time will be listed over the manufacturer's time regardless if the latter is quicker. NealeFamily (talk) 20:21, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

I have reverted changes made to the definition of the production car by wiki users because the user making the changes is not following generally accepted rules for such a broad change. User is stating that "2 or 3 vehicles defines a production car" on other pages on the basis of changes he's made here, but is providing no documentation for those changes. If there is a source that outweighs that of Guinness, or the Road and Track definition, then please provide that definition, otherwise, this needs to remain the same. This has been a highly contentious debate in the past and we don't need one editor going in and wreaking havoc on what many other editors have argued over in the past. RTShadow (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 01:16, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

I had updated this site to fit to current Wikipedia status, in the state it was before and into which you reverted it back into. The "List of automotive superlatives" is using the same definition as the others since two years (22 March 2016), after your revert it now indirectly implies that there are different rules used on this site than on the other two. I didn't change any rules with the update you reverted, I just wrote what is written on the the three Wikipedia sites, anyone can check it there. What you wrote in your revert comment doesn't make sense, there's no reason for more documentation, I didn't list a talk page as you claimed wrongly and it isn't relevant for the change. Drachentötbär (talk) 18:53, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

I think that the amount of cars required to be a production models should be lower to reflect the relevance of companies such as Koenigsegg and Pagani. They are legitimate manufactures, just because of the bespoke exclusivity of their models the production numbers are very limited. If it's for sale, has a VIN and isn't a modified version of something else - it should be a production model. Spacecowboy420 (talk) 09:25, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

There is a ongoing debate at Talk:Production car speed record#Proposed new wording for consideration on this topic. This includes removing the number and making a WMI manufacturer a prerequisite. NealeFamily (talk) 22:28, 21 March 2018 (UTC)