Talk:Prince Friedrich of Hesse and by Rhine

Ernst or Ernest?

The paragraph on "Death" refers to Friedrich's older brother as both "Ernst" and "Ernest". This is unnecessarily confusing; it should be consistent. Our article on Ernest is titled Ernest Louis, Grand Duke of Hesse, and consistently refers to him as "Ernest", not as "Ernst", so I have selected "Ernest". Please discuss here before reverting again. —Mark Dominus (talk) 17:04, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Ernst was his actual name; Ernest is an English translation. I prefer Ernst. --Bookworm857158367 (talk) 05:23, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

The article about Ernst/Ernest seems to disagree with you; it says his name in English was Ernest and his name in German was Ernst. I looked on the talk page for that article to see if there had been discussion about this in the past, and there wasn't; the only question was whether his second name had been Ludwig or Louis. Do you have a cite for your claim that his name was Ernst, and not Ernest, and not both or either? If not, it seems to be that this article's choice should be consistent with the main article, which uses "Ernest" exclusively. —Mark Dominus (talk) 15:28, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

He was a German prince; the name he used in Hesse Darmstadt was Ernst Ludwig; in England, where his grandmother lived, it was translated as Ernest Louis. In the family, he was known as Ernie. He spoke English as well as German and probably called himself Ernest more often than not in letters and with the family, but Ernst was his name in the country he ruled and it was his "real" name. Similarly, the baby Friedrich was known as Frederick or Frittie in English. Their sister Alix was occasionally called Alice in English newspapers and occasional court announcements of the time because Alix had been used as a German version of Alice and she was named after her mother. Alix was her actual name; her family nickname was Alicky. She eventually became Alexandra when she married Tsar Nicholas. They all had a lot of names in addition to the formal names they were given at birth in Hesse-Darmstadt. This isn't something that needs a citation. Every biography of one of his family members says as much. I chose to use the name that he was baptized by and that was used in Hesse-Darmstadt when I originally wrote the article on Frittie. --Bookworm857158367 (talk) 15:52, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Date

29 May 1873 is the correct way to make it out because he was European and in Europe the day goes before the month in dates. in every other Wiki of a European person - Adele, Adolf Hitler, Queen Elizabeth II; etc - the day is before the month. i don't think this article should be an exception. --DemirBajraktarevic (talk) 01:57, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

The article was written in American English and the style should stay consistent throughout, per Wikipedia style. Americans put the date after the month. Bookworm857158367 (talk) 02:00, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Then it should be consistent THROUGHOUT -- the info box still has European-style dates - FIX IT --DemirBajraktarevic (talk) 03:21, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

I can't undo the info box without interfering with the program that is calculating age. --Bookworm857158367 (talk) 19:53, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Could you explain how is this article written in American English versus European/British English? It is accepted that all European figures have European style dates whether it is written by an American or an European.--The Emperor's New Spy (talk) 21:25, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Yeah Bookworm answer that :O --DemirBajraktarevic (talk) 23:42, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Assessment comment

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The article says virtually nothing important about the subject, or, indeed, why the subject is important. Lacks persondata as well. - Duribald 18:36, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Last edited at 18:36, 2 April 2007 (UTC). Substituted at 03:24, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

Contradiction with Haemophilia in European royalty

In this article, it says about the fall which caused his death that "Friedrich survived the fall and might have lived had he not been a haemophiliac". On the other hand, in the article Haemophilia in European royalty, it says that the fall "would almost certainly have been fatal even if he had not had haemophilia". Which is correct? 89.139.68.161 (talk) 20:45, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

The statement is from a cited work. Please do not change it again. The child survived the initial fall, as many other children have survived similar falls. He had hemophilia and died of a hemorrhage. It’s certainly possible that he would have died of a brain bleed anyway, but not certain. The biographer said he might have survived otherwise. Bookworm857158367 (talk) 05:29, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

A healthy child of that age would die if the bleeding was too severe; hemophelia only reduces this critical level. The statement "might have lived" implies a reasonable probability of survival; "would have almost certainly been fatal" means the probability of survival would not have been reasonable. Which is correct? 89.139.68.161 (talk) 19:10, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

As I said, the statement is based on a cited source from a biography. If you object, you can certainly add the other cited source giving a contradictory opinion. It could say that one source said he could have lived without hemophilia; another says he almost certainly would have died anyway. It’s mostly speculation either way. Bookworm857158367 (talk) 00:31, 14 September 2018 (UTC)