Talk:Prignitz
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Requested move 25 July 2016
[edit]- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the move request was: No comments for 10 days. No consensus for move. Second article has not happened, so we'll stick with what's current for now. (non-admin closure) — Andy W. (talk · ctb) 20:11, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
Prignitz → Prignitz (district) – "Prignitz" is the name of a historical region of Brandenburg that today forms part of the Prignitz and Ostprignitz-Ruppin districts. Even though we currently don't have an article on the eponymous historical region, it is an inadequate title for this administrative district which is anyway usually referred to as "Landkreis Prignitz" in German and as "Prignitz district" in English. The very least we should do is adding a disambiguator, pending further discussion on a new, consistent naming scheme. -- PanchoS (talk) 12:53, 25 July 2016 (UTC) --Relisting. Andrewa (talk) 22:56, 8 August 2016 (UTC)}
- Oppose adding a parenthesized disambiguator for no reason other than that some other topic may exist but has no article yet. Write the article first, then we can decide if there's a primary topic question to be answered. I think in common usage today this refers to the district. And we don't normally append "(district)" for these German districts - see Oberhavel, Barnim etc. — Amakuru (talk) 14:18, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
- Relisting comment: It's interesting that German Wikipedia does have an article on the historical region (de:Prignitz as mentioned above), although what they call the article in German has little relevance here. If someone were to create a stub article here for the historical region (by whatever name), I'd say this move would possibly succeed. But as it stands, there is no justification for the move, see WP:disambiguation which reads in part more than one subject covered by Wikipedia (my emphasis). Andrewa (talk) 22:56, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
- Oppose. Though I support the German Wikipedia model with two articles in theory, this move should not occur until an article on the region is created. With no such article, there is no problem with the current situation. — AjaxSmack 01:28, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
- Comment: That still leaves the question of what the two articles should be called, and in particular, whether either should have the base name Prignitz. I suspect that it's a case of no primary meaning, and wp:TWODABS should apply. Interested in other thoughts. But yes, if there's no second article by the end of the relisting period, it may well close as no move just because of that. Andrewa (talk) 02:26, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
- What about Prignitz (region)? After the article is created, another RM can decide which article should be Prignitz. — AjaxSmack 03:00, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
- Comment: That still leaves the question of what the two articles should be called, and in particular, whether either should have the base name Prignitz. I suspect that it's a case of no primary meaning, and wp:TWODABS should apply. Interested in other thoughts. But yes, if there's no second article by the end of the relisting period, it may well close as no move just because of that. Andrewa (talk) 02:26, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.
Historical region vs current division
[edit]Here is a Google translation of the lede of de:Prigniz:
The Prignitz (in older spelling also Priegnitz , formerly as Vormark designated [1] ) is a historical region in the northwest of the country Brandenburg . Essentially, it covers the Prignitz district and parts of the district Ostprignitz-Ruppin . Small parts of the historic region Prignitz now belong also to Mecklenburg-Vorpommern ( Landkreis Ludwigslust-Parchim ) and Saxony-Anhalt (in Havelberg ).
Many Wikipedias have articles on the current political division, such as de:Landkreis Prignitz and fr:Arrondissement de Prignitz. The German article lede reads (Google translation) The Prignitz is a county in the extreme northwest of the country Brandenburg . He is after the historic landscape Prignitz named. However only the German, French, Africaans, Polish and Swedish Wikipedias currently have separate articles on the historical region.
It seems to me we could justify separate articles. There is plenty of material in the other Wikipedias. Of course we can't cite these as references, but we can use many of the sources they cite (perhaps all, but there are minor differences in the various policies on what's an acceptable source, so we can't assume). Andrewa (talk) 00:40, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
- I agree but the region should be a new article as this article is and seems to have always been primarily about the district. — AjaxSmack 01:28, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
- Yes, good point. So the article history should stay with the article on the current kreis (or district).
- But that still leaves the question of what to call the two articles. Andrewa (talk) 02:18, 9 August 2016 (UTC)