Talk:Pretzel Logic (song)
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Harmonic analysis PDF
[edit]@ I wrote the composition section. I have a graphic to go along with it that I created. but I can't upload it for some reason. Dukeofnovember (talk) 14:04, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
- I'm sorry but it looks like that whole new section is just your personal opinion, so it's WP:OR? Martinevans123 (talk) 15:05, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
- No......it's not my 'opinion' that they used the chords they did. are you saying its actually different chords? this is objective harmonic analysis and is encyclopedic in nature. How am I supposed to 'research' a song other than by listening to it? I'll gladly show you the PDF I created that lays out the chord progression in a concise, educational way. Dukeofnovember (talk) 15:36, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
- Your analysis may be 100% accurate. But we usually add material that has been publicly published in some reliable source(s). I'm not saying "its actually different chords", I'm saying I'm not sure it can be added because it's WP:OR. Happy to see a second opinion on this - which is why I tried to copyedit your addition and did not immediately remove it. Perhaps someone from WP:WPMUSIC could advise? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:04, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
- It's not original research though. it's not something I thought up, Donald Fagen and Walter Becker thought it up. plus It's easily verifiable by a musician. due to the nature of the subject, If I cited a published source (licensed sheet music), it would infringe on copyright. Dukeofnovember (talk) 16:24, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
- Becker and Fagen produced a harmonic analysis of their own song? I'm surprised. And which musician did you have in mind to verify it? But I don't quite get your point about the licensed sheet music. Might be best if we just wait for a second opinion here? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:33, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
- "And which musician did you have in mind to verify it?" "Might be best if we just wait for a second opinion here?" you just answered your own question lol.
- I'm not saying they created harmonic analysis, I'm saying they created the harmony. I definitely agree with you that this should be left to people who actually understand the subject! Dukeofnovember (talk) 16:46, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
- Oh dear. That's me told. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:58, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
- Becker and Fagen produced a harmonic analysis of their own song? I'm surprised. And which musician did you have in mind to verify it? But I don't quite get your point about the licensed sheet music. Might be best if we just wait for a second opinion here? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:33, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
- It's not original research though. it's not something I thought up, Donald Fagen and Walter Becker thought it up. plus It's easily verifiable by a musician. due to the nature of the subject, If I cited a published source (licensed sheet music), it would infringe on copyright. Dukeofnovember (talk) 16:24, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
- Your analysis may be 100% accurate. But we usually add material that has been publicly published in some reliable source(s). I'm not saying "its actually different chords", I'm saying I'm not sure it can be added because it's WP:OR. Happy to see a second opinion on this - which is why I tried to copyedit your addition and did not immediately remove it. Perhaps someone from WP:WPMUSIC could advise? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:04, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
- No......it's not my 'opinion' that they used the chords they did. are you saying its actually different chords? this is objective harmonic analysis and is encyclopedic in nature. How am I supposed to 'research' a song other than by listening to it? I'll gladly show you the PDF I created that lays out the chord progression in a concise, educational way. Dukeofnovember (talk) 15:36, 9 February 2024 (UTC)