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Age of Rishi Sunak upon becoming Prime Minister

The article says "...and the youngest prime minister since David Cameron and Tony Blair." in the introduction section. I think both David Cameron and Tony Blair were older than Sunak upon becoming Prime Minister, so I think this should be corrected - however I am not certain so wanted to put this up for discussion rather than making the change directly. Lavn2 (talk) 16:04, 14 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You are correct, they were both one year older than Rishi Sunak when they respectively became PM in 1997 and 2010. --92.15.144.174 (talk) 12:48, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No information on his premiership in the lead yet

We're almost a month into his premiership, and this article's lead does not mention anything about Sunak's actual premiership thus far, just that he won the October leadership election unopposed and was the first PM to be appointed by Charles. 92.15.144.174 (talk) 09:07, 17 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Admitted Security breach

I edited the article so it wrote "Labour and the Liberal Democrats have demanded an inquiry into Braverman's return to the cabinet despite an admitted security breach when Braverman shared secure information with a colleague.^[1]" See https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Premiership_of_Rishi_Sunak&type=revision&diff=1123038111&oldid=1123038008 .

The source for that section states, "Just a week ago, Ms Braverman admitted a rule-breach by sending a policy document on an immigration shake-up from her private email to a colleague, later misleading Liz Truss about it." See https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/suella-braverman-security-inquiry-sunak-b2210783.html .

The Independent is reliable. I'm putting it back. Proxima Centauri (talk) 16:02, 21 November 2022 (UTC) Proxima Centauri (talk) 16:02, 21 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Proxima Centauri, a "rule-breach" is not the same thing as a "security breach". The former is supported, the latter is not, and so contraves WP:BLP. -- DeFacto (talk). 16:49, 21 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Merrick, Rob (26 October 2022). "Inquiry demanded into Braverman's shock cabinet return after sacking over security breach". The Independent.

Allegations of multiple security breaches

I edited the article so it wrote wrote "There are also allegations that Braverman repeatedly breached the ministerial code and endangereded national security,^[1]"

The source for that section states "And Alistair Carmichael, the Lib Dem home affairs spokesperson, said: “Suella Braverman’s appointment makes a mockery of Rishi Sunak’s claims to be bringing integrity to Number 10. “There must be a full independent inquiry by the Cabinet Office into her appointment, including any promises Sunak made to her behind closed doors. If it is confirmed that Suella Braverman repeatedly broke the ministerial code and threatened national security, she must be sacked.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/suella-braverman-security-inquiry-sunak-b2210783.html

Again The Independentis reliable.

I'll put that back but make it clear that Alistair Carmichael, the Lib Dem home affairs spokesperson alleged it. Proxima Centauri (talk) 16:19, 21 November 2022 (UTC) Proxima Centauri (talk) 16:19, 21 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This might help:

"Suella Braverman has admitted to sending government documents to her personal email address six times during her first stint as home secretary. This is on top of the security breach that led to her resignation." https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-63456984
"Sunak has reappointed Suella Braverman to the Home Office just six days after she resigned for breaching the ministerial code." https://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/23077778.braverman-reappointed-home-secretary-days-quitting-rule-breach/

CT55555 (talk) 18:05, 21 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

And 3 https://www.ft.com/content/74f8647f-c35f-4d05-851a-73b75b751c45 i.e. there is plenty to say it was a security breach. CT55555 (talk) 18:08, 21 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Merrick, Rob (26 October 2022). "Inquiry demanded into Braverman's shock cabinet return after sacking over security breach". The Independent.

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Sunak promising new laws to stop illegal migration and 'spurious' appeals

In this video, Sunak promised to bring in new laws to tackle illegal immigration, saying anyone who comes to the UK illegally will not be allowed to stay. This seems like a notable thing to mention in this article: [1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X271I4j5aHo&ab_channel=SkyNews 79.66.92.93 (talk) 14:57, 14 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Suella Braverman

The source says "Ms Braverman resigned on 19 October after admitting two breaches of the ministerial code by sending confidential material via a private email account. Mr Sunak has faced questions about his judgement in reappointing her six days later."Braverman admits using private emails for official papers six times I wrote (after she resigned from the position on 19 October) "following her admitting two breaches of the ministerial code through sending confidential material by a private email account." The part of the sentence in brackets was there before. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Premiership_of_Rishi_Sunak&diff=prev&oldid=1135868675. What I wrote accurately reflects the source and I'm putting it back with improved wording. Proxima Centauri (talk) 12:14, 27 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Proxima Centauri, I beg your pardon yes, I didn't notice the wording change between what I had reverted previously and what you then added. That is where an explanatory edit summary would have been useful I suppose. -- DeFacto (talk). 13:18, 27 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Cabinet appointment scandals mentioned in lead

Are these events notable enough to include in the lead for Sunak's premiership? This is about his premiership as opposed to cabinet scandals, this would better be placed in the lead for Sunak ministry. 79.66.89.36 (talk) 14:00, 24 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Scandals

Imo the Suella Braverman re-appointment is a controversy not a scandal. A scandal is an act of wrongdoing. Firestar47 (talk) 14:24, 16 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Firestar47: The scandal was her previous security breach. WP:CRITS suggests that her section in this article should not be there because the breach occurred during the Truss premiership. Bazza (talk) 14:39, 16 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Bazza 7My point exactly. The actual offense occurred under Liz Truss premiership not Sunak's. The reappointment is just something that wound people up. By all means mention her appointment and say it was controversial but don't list it as a scandal. Anyway in terms of where it is now I vote it should be removed. Firestar47 (talk) 14:45, 16 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Bazza The initial security breach from the Truss era wasn't the controversy here, it's the re-appointment (only six days after the resignation). It had significant enough coverage/criticism at the time to be included in the article - removing it completely would be wrong I would say. I wouldn't have any objections if you wanted to move it elsewhere in the article though. Michaeldble (talk) 15:03, 16 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Firestar47, @Michaeldble: I have moved and reworded that section. I will not describe it as controversial (WP:CRITS, WP:NPOV). Bazza (talk) 15:11, 16 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Rather than have a separate section for it I think it would be better to just elaborate with a few extra words within the existing text. The re-appointment is already mentioned in the previous paragraph. That sentence could simply be lengthened by a few words to say why she'd resigned. Firestar47 (talk) 15:27, 16 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Firestar47: Feel free to remove the "Braverman" section title. Bazza (talk) 15:34, 16 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Done. I think it looks better now. Firestar47 (talk) 15:43, 16 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Braverman is gone, but the questions remain

Could this article have a section highlighting how the basic concerns about Suella Braverman from a year back have not really changed? Also, does not Braverman's needless and hateful letter indicate that the 'mad, swivel-eyed, loons' remain an ever-present danger - both to the Tory Party and the nation? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.149.166.251 (talk) 19:08, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Structure of article

Is there a different structure that could be used for the article? Currently there are far too many mini sections which have two or three sentences or so in them in my opinion. Would it be better to merge them into larger sections possibly? Michaeldble (talk) 12:27, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Merrick, Rob (26 October 2022). "Inquiry demanded into Braverman's shock cabinet return after sacking over security breach". The Independent.

[2] Merrick, Rob (26 October 2022). "Inquiry demanded into Braverman's shock cabinet return after sacking over security breach". The Independent.

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