Talk:Prefixes in Hebrew

Unhelpful list

Most of the examples in the section "Non Otiyot HaShimush" aren't useful. For example, in the word אִינְטְרָנֶט the prefix (intra-) is just part of a whole borrowed word (intranet). By contrast, אַנְטִי-חֹמֶר is truly helpful, as it shows a borrowed prefix in use with a native Hebrew word (anti-homer - antimatter). SamEV (talk) 00:16, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

Vowels of ב/ל/כ/ה in Modern Hebrew

I'm not a native speaker, but I'm pretty sure that most of the complicated rules for the vowels associated with the prefixes ב/ל/כ/ה do not apply in Modern Hebrew, except maybe in very formal registers. My understanding is that ב/ל/כ always take an /e/ vowel except when they combine with the definite article or in some fossilized forms (e.g. בשביל "bishvil", where rule 2 applies). Similarly, the definite article is always (h)a-, and never he-. 140.180.240.116 (talk) 22:03, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

Tu BiShvat uses an /i/, and HeHalutz uses /e/. --192.114.88.248 (talk) 12:21, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

It's true that people often simplify the way you describe, but the prescribed forms are still alive.--Nngnna (talk) 08:24, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

Interesting Boiler Plate over a year old now.

Is this boiler plate appropriate to this article: "This article improperly uses one or more religious texts as primary sources without referring to secondary sources that critically analyze them. Please help improve this article by adding references to reliable secondary sources, with multiple points of view. (February 2014)"? Was this boiler plate designed for articles which quote the Bible to prove a doctrine? Is that boiler plate really appropriate to an article on morphology? As I scan this article I see some footnotes to the Bible, but most of the article looks like references to words in modern Hebrew, much having little to do with a "religious text." (PeacePeace (talk) 06:29, 18 June 2016 (UTC))

Mem should not have its own section

Bet, kaf, and lamed are in the section "Inseparable prepositions", and then a separate section is made especially for mem, called "Other prepositions". I don't see what makes mem different than the three "Inseparable prepositions". I suppose one might argue that the letter mem is merely a contraction for the word "min", and so it really is "separable", but if so, then that should appear in the article. Otherwise, all four ought to be together. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.199.149.121 (talk) 13:19, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Some thoughts

Hi all!

• What do people think about providing separate tables for prefixes based on the source of the prefix? In particular, does anyone else think that it might be useful to separate native Hebrew prefixes from loaned prefixes? Also, might it be a good idea to provide dates/eras for when a prefix began to be used?
• In what contexts and registers are these prefixes used? For example, the article mentions that many international prefixes come from technical and scientific words. What about in other contexts? Do native speakers generally note loaned prefixes as "foreign"? Is there an active movement to use "native" alternatives, as a form of language purism? (For example, does the Academy of the Hebrew Language have any guidelines on the topic?) Or conversely, is it considered "modern" and "globalized" to use such loans? I know that historically there was a strong movement to coin Hebrew technical vocabulary in general; I wonder how much this applied specifically to prefixes?
• How do foreign prefixes interact with native roots? Is there a preference to use foreign prefixes mostly with foreign roots? Do they affect conjugation or any other grammatical patterns? Are they subject to various phonological processes that native prefixes are? There are so many ideas to explore here! Thanks for reading. :)
• What are some particularly "interesting" examples of prefixes used in Hebrew? (This is a completely informal idea for now; if anyone has suggestions for formalization, I'd love to hear them!) For example, the root shin-lamed-shin turns into taf-lamed-taf in some prefixes. Are there any other roots that change form when used as prefixes? A list of these might be interesting for people with some background in linguistics.
• Thanks for reading! :)

JonathanHopeThisIsUnique (talk) 03:36, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

Clitics

I don't think this article should be split for that or anything, but most of Otiyot haShimush are actually clitics as they have a syntactic independence and some could even stand on their own with their own suffix (לי‎ ,בך‎, to me, in you).--Nngnna (talk) 08:21, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

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