Talk:Pokémon Yellow/Requested move (2007)

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was not to move --Lox (t,c) 20:13, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Pokémon Yellow → Pokémon Yellow: Special Pikachu Edition — Full name of the game. It's the name on the box, in the in-game logo, on Nintendo's official Pokemon games website ([1], click on the box and it will give a summary of the game along with this title). —TJ Spyke 03:10, 24 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Survey

Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.

Support as the nominator. TJ Spyke 03:10, 24 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: as mentioned below by Andrewa, naming conventions say to use the most common name. From my experience, Pokemon Yellow is generally the most frequently used name for this game, so I do not support a move. MelicansMatkin (talk) 22:59, 24 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: per policy, as discussed below. Support moving back to fix reckless move (below). TheBilly (talk) 00:14, 25 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- You mean moving the game to its correct title? God forbid we should have article names be correct. TJ Spyke 00:43, 25 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There's no need to get personally offended and jump on anyone and any comment in opposition. See WP:OWN and WP:CIV TheBilly (talk) 00:53, 25 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I wasn't jumping on you, I was just wondering what you have against the article being at its correct name? The name of the game is "Pokémon Yellow: Special Pikachu Edition", there's no disputing that. TJ Spyke 01:40, 25 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: No, it is disputed. See Discussion below. No change of vote. Andrewa (talk) 04:55, 27 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. At the risk of argument from silence, there seems no justification for the move. The claim that the longer title is correct is IMO itself incorrect. Both the long and short versions are acceptable article names, and the better one appears to be the short version. Andrewa (talk) 05:59, 25 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose It is a tagline/sub title that sees very little use from my experience. Narson (talk) 00:52, 26 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose "Pokémon Yellow: Special Pikachu Edition" shows 2,500 Google hits while "Pokémon Yellow" by itself has 60,700 hits. Does that not indicate that the short name is more common and better known? The subtitle is unnecessary and, per policy, is not required for the article title. Bhamv (talk) 14:26, 26 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

Any additional comments:

Wikipedia:Naming conventions don't support use of the full name, nor the name on the box, in the in-game logo, nor the official name whether on the website or elsewhere. Instead, what we're interested in is what English speakers generally use. The makers of the game have all sorts of reasons to use the longer title, but my guess is that English speakers would normally shorten it. No vote from me as yet, but I don't think a case has been made by the nominator for the move. Andrewa (talk) 20:35, 24 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You mean other than the fact that it's the correct name of the game? "Pokémon Yellow" is the wrong name, plain and simple. Most people call Halo: Combat Evolved just "Halo", but we still have it at the correct name. Video games, movies, and TV shows go by their correct title. TJ Spyke 23:51, 24 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In the case of Halo, the more specific name is used because "Halo" is a common English word with many different articles linked to that term. That's just a disambiguation method. Following the usual convention it might have been named "Halo (video game)", but that would still be ambiguous with Halo as a series. See: Halo (series) TheBilly (talk) 00:10, 25 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That was just an example. What about Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem? It's usually just called "Eternal Darkness". TJ Spyke 00:43, 25 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Then perhaps this article name should be changed to conform to WP:NC. Andrewa (talk) 05:59, 25 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I had a look at Eternal Darkness, and I can't see why the subtitle is currently included in the article name. Let's finish this discussion, then assuming we remove the subtitle from this article name, we can then propose that one for renaming too. Andrewa (talk) 21:42, 26 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's not the the correct name of the game (my emphasis), it's one of several correct names. The question is which of these to use for the article. Andrewa (talk) 21:42, 25 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The article has been moved, see below, but there seems no justification for this. If we get no consensus to move, it will just have to be moved back. Andrewa (talk) 04:31, 26 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

From the Survey section: The name of the game is "Pokémon Yellow: Special Pikachu Edition", there's no disputing that (my emphasis). No, that's one of several correct names for the game. The question is, which is best to use for the article, and especially in terms of WP:NC? There seems to be a rough consensus for the shorter name. Andrewa (talk) 04:59, 27 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.