Talk:Poisoned Pawn Variation

Variations

'Poisoned Pawn' is a concept so it can occur in many games, not just openings, here is a game example. The following are the occurances in opening theory. List is likely incomplete.

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 a6 6.Bg5 e6 7.f4 Qb6 Najdorf Sicilian
1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.e5 c5 5.a3 Bxc3+ 6.bxc3 Ne7 7.Qg4 French, Winawer
1.d4 Nf6 2.Bg5 c5 3.d5 Qb6 4.Nc3 Tromposky.
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 f5 3.Bc4 fxe4 4.Nxe5 Qg5 5.d4 Qxg2 Latvian
1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.Bf4 c5 4.e3 Qb6 5.Nc3 Queen's Pawn ChessCreator (talk) 22:48, 22 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Definition?

Could there be, perhaps, a more specific explanation of what a poisoned pawn actually is within the first few lines of this article? This article does a very good job of explaining where it occurs and notable games in which it has appeared but isn't it more than just a variation? why is it called a 'poisoned pawn' what's poisoned about the pawn? I think it would benefit the layman (me) to understand these things. --Kurushi (talk) 18:59, 3 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps this link would assist if added to the text. Poisoned Pawn. SunCreator (talk) 19:52, 3 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Perfect! Thanks SunCreator. --Kurushi (talk) 19:58, 3 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What's missing in this article is the explanation of WHY the Poisoned Pawn Variation of the Najdorf System is a "poisoned pawn" variation i.e. HOW does capturing the pawn on b2 "result in a positional disadvantage or loss of material" (the definition of a poisoned pawn given at the beginning of the article) ??? Could someone please fill this gap in the article? Thank you! 87.166.122.42 (talk) 22:45, 29 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Article name

Wouldn't a more suitable title for this article be Poisoned Pawn. Yes, 'Poisoned Pawn' is a variation but 'variation' is not it's name. SunCreator (talk) 02:46, 27 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. Bubba73 ^{(the argument clinic)}, 05:25, 27 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree. "Poisoned Pawn Variation" is its name, or rather the name of more than one opening. "Poisoned pawn" is the b-pawn, although it is sometimes used informally as the name of the variation, just as "the Scotch" is used informally for the Scotch Game, or "the English" is used informally for the English Opening, etc. Quale (talk) 05:01, 28 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think it would be better for the article to discuss the "poisoned pawn" and then show how the P.P.V. comes up in openings such as the Sicilian and French. See Glossary of chess#Poisoned Pawn. Bubba73 ^{(the argument clinic)}, 05:11, 28 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Another French Defence

What about this?

1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. e5 c5 4. Nf3 Nc6 5. c3 Qb6 6. Bd3 cxd4 7. cxd4

Here for black, ...7. Nxd4 loses a queen after 8. Nxd4 Qxd4 9. Bb5+ and 10. Qxd4 BleuDXXXIV (talk) 11:52, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]