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PlayStation sells lower than Xbox 360?

The article says that "In the worldwide marketplace, PlayStation 3 is currently behind its competitor systems, the Xbox 360 and the Wii, both overall and in monthly sales." In my opinion this statment is controversial (in case of xbox).

According to vgchartz.com PS3 sold better in last 5 weeks than Xbox 360. It is true that since PS3 launch (roughly last 8 months) Xbox sold more units than PS3 (about 5 million compared with PS3 4 millions) but when we align launches and compare how much PS3 had sold in its first 8 months with how much Xbox 360 had sold in its first 8 months we get almost the same results: Xbox 360 - 4.138 mln units, PS3 - 4.108 mln (it can be easily seen in World->Hardware chart when we "align lanunches"). This still gives Xbox 360 a little advantage but it will probably change when last week results will be counted.

In my opinion the statment should be changed to sth like this: "In the worldwide marketplace, PlayStation 3 is currently behind its competitor systems, the Xbox 360 and the Wii, in overall sales and behind Wii in monthly sales. Monthly sales of Xbox 360 and PS3 are comparable". _________________________ Your argument was perfectly valid until you mentioned Vgchartz. Sorry. 7FlushSetzer 06:22, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Media create and NPD support the similar totals but lower for both as they do not account for non Japaneses or US sales.Manic-pedant 04:17, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Most likely higher also thanks to a percentage of owners who had to re-buy their Xbox when they were part of the lucky 33% rather then repair it. Denzelio 21:53, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

The same thing happened to the original PlayStation and, to a lesser extent, the PlayStation 2. They kept breaking and people kept spending $150 on new ones. 72.43.143.214 17:32, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

According to http://money.cnn.com/2007/11/15/news/international/sony_playstation.ap/index.htm The xbox 360 has sold 11.5 million in 12 months and the ps3 has sold 5 million in less than a year (7-8 months in Europe) So even if its 3/4 of a year thats 0.55 million per month while the 360 seems to have averaged about 0.48 million per month. So it seems unlikely that ps3 is loosing the console war. Does selling less so far even meen there loosing the war. What if the sales numbers are increasing at a higher rate than the 360s? Does anyone have the actual average monthly sales? The 360 has been out longer than the ps3, I dont think a total sales count is fair.

Top Selling Game?

It says Smackdown vs Raw 2008, which isn't out yet so that can't be right, and the source for that says it's Resistance. Someone should change that.

Acording to [1] which I think is a good sorce haha says that NCAA® Football 08 is the top game. -- Vdub49 01:54, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

The list of "Top Games" at [2] is just a list of games that are selling the most copies right now, which does not necessarily make it the "Top-selling Game" entirely. If you think about it, it's unlikely that NCAA 08, or any other game for that matter, could sell more copies in a month and a half than Resistance could in nine months. -- Operation fluffy bunny 08:04, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

That source shouldn't be used to cite NCAA Football 08 as the best selling PS3 game, since the list does not even number the games based on total sales ranking. --Silver Edge 08:02, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Thats true... one month compared to nine months. Is this supposed to be monthly top seller or all around top seller? -- Vdub49 16:34, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

I changed Resistance from 2 million to 1.7 million based on a VGCgartz.com and then someone reverted it because they said that it's not reliable. How is it unreliable exactly? How would the AP know better than a site dedicated to video game charts? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jordinho (talk • contribs) 15:56, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

VG Chartz has projections of video game hardware and software sales numbers, so it does not have actual sales figures. "A site dedicated to video game charts" does not necessarily make it reliable, or more reliable than the Associated Press. --Silver Edge 05:22, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Should Amazon.com sales percentage be removed?

In the article it states the following:

"According to the Amazon.com sales rankings, the price cut has increased PlayStation 3 sales by 3200%, far surpassing Sony's 200% target."

This is both misleading and inaccurate. Amazon.com admits on their site that sales rank is not an indicator of total sales volume increase. Rather it is the percentage that an item has moved in the rankings[3]. The two are quite different. As such, the sales increase at a single online retailer is not reliable as a source of an overall sales increase.

Bdhoff 18:45, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

PS3 0.2% failure rate

http://news.spong.com/article/13491?cb=993

I think this should be included, especially in light of the 33% XBOX 360 failure rate.

Maybe it should go in the hardware section, or the hardware page? John.n-irl 13:55, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

I think that it should be put in the hardware section as it is hardware related (Truth jay 20:42, 24 September 2007 (UTC))

that article is clearly BS. the thing about a freezer and sauna is clearly fabricated, almost anything would break from that. i would like to see an unbiased sorce actually try this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.165.59.39 (talk) 11:00, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Hey you made a mistake. The PlayStation 3's announced failure rate is 0.02% not 0.2%. --TheN1Armyguy. (talk) 22:45, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

This is a negative article slanted against the PS3

This article reflects the enormous level of FUD against the PS3. I've been following the console wars for a while, and I do find the level of hostile fanboyism and misinformation from all sides to be rather unreasonable and detestable. Sections of this article read like they were written by fanboys of other consoles who go out of their way to discredit the PS3. Information and arguments which favor the PS3 seem to be mysteriously omitted. Negatives seem to be amplified to the limits of what Wikipedia might let slide. I would caution any reader to take this article with a grain of salt, as it is part of the battleground for the raging console wars, and it's encylopedic integrity is questionable. The article is very actively editted by its subject's detractors. 24.23.231.54 17:58, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Don't seem to notice this... NinjaRooster 03:25, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Do you have specific examples? -- MisterHand (Talk to the Hand|Contribs) 21:35, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

When something SUCKS, it's hard to have the article make it sound good... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.54.233.58 (talk) 09:40, August 30, 2007 (UTC)

Way to keep things on topic with your valuable (and obviously highly intellectual) contribution John.n-irl 12:38, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

yeah your sorta right... kinda hard to make something sound so good when it really is not that good in the long run... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.215.129.101 (talk) 03:00, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

This article has several parts that are either out of date or plain wrong. First and foremost it says that the PS3 is currently in 3rd in sales and Marketshare, that is incorrect, it is now in a strong second for Sales and only in 3rd in Marketshare in the United States, 2nd in Japan and 2nd in Europe.

strong second? is it the xbox 360 or the wii that you think it has passed? xbox 360 is about 12 mill, wii is about 11 mill, and ps3 is about 6 mill... that isn't a strong second, that is a distant THIRD. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.165.59.39 (talk) 11:05, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

As for the comments above, you have fun sending your 360s back to Microsoft to get them replaced for that Red Ring boys. 208.45.168.113 18:09, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

lol... i HAVE A WII... (duh)

Yes, this article is written in a way that paints the PS3 in an unfavorable light and does not follow NPOV. 75.21.103.254 14:25, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

I think you sound like a fanboy of the PS3 who still hasn't caught on that it isn't as good as either the XBOX 360 or the Nintendo Wii. What you call a "negative slant" is the truth; the PS3 was not as good a console. I was actually going to suggest that it is painted in to good a view, especially in the reception section of the article. Popular culture condemns the PS3 as being too expensive, having poor controllers that haven't changed since the original PlayStation, and a lack of good games. Stop whining. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.23.251.224 (talk) 23:23, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Poor controllers? I have not read ANY article criticizing the PS3 controller. It is, has been, and always will be, the gold standard of gaming controllers. If you are referring to the lack of "rumble" feature, only a small percentage of gamers care about the rumble functionality, and that is being addressed with the upcoming DualShock for the PS3. Six-axis controls work great if the developer integrates them properly. It's no coincidence that, after the abomination that was the XBox controller, Microsoft ripped off the basic design of the XBOX360 controller from the PS3. Still, putting the left analog where the d-pad normally is makes the XBox360 controller extremely uncomfortable and awkward to use. And don't get me started on how bad the controller was for GH2 on the 360. Fanboys need to relax, just keeping playing your little Gears of Gayness, and leave the real gaming to us. 66.239.165.210 21:49, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

I agree with 24.23.251.224. The reception section has both sides, some publications that are positive and some that are negative. Bsed on number of units sold, it has not sold as well compared to the other consoles. You cannot expect Wikipedia to be praising the console just because some people thinks it is the best. It you think it is too negative, state it. Don't just go it is too negative just because you think it is the best console. Icaazn614 01:06, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

It feels like this article now slants the opposite direction. While the praise of the PS3 is well detailed in the article, the criticisms are vague and non-specific. It talks about an EGM article that details all the criticisms and problems, but fails to mention a single example of what was discussed in said article. Meanwhile, it seems to include praise from all manner of sources, including the head of Shiny Entertainment. Yes, Shiny is a video game company, but are they really as valid a source than any number of gaming journalists out there, or is it just padding the praise? I think it's the latter. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.9.4.50 (talk) 20:11, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Gameplay capturable in HD via HDMI?

I'd just like to know if the BlackMagic Intensity HDMI capture card can capture digitally gameplay footage in HD off of the PS3. --Jack Zhang 18:05, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

I doubt it since HD output requires HDCP which means it's encrypted. If a HDMI card is made properly not to get into legal trouble it can't capture protected content. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.181.10.145 (talk) 17:36, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Lack of Infrared IR Interface

Sony marketed the PS3 as the "Center" of your entertainment center. However, they did not include an IR interface. Anyone who as an entertainment center, worth mentioning, has already bought a universal remote control which highly likely doesn't have bluetooth support. Now, what was Sony really thinking? Is this really an oversight? Or, does Sony have a bigger plan in mind? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 206.248.139.85 (talk) 02:41:25, August 19, 2007 (UTC)

Clearly Bluetooth technology is far superior to Infrared, i have never heard such a comment about infrared for a ps3 before, although using a remote to point at the Wii for instance can be annoying at times. Being able to use both the Blutooth Ps3 controller and Blu-Ray remote from anywhere even other rooms while not pointing at a certain point is much better. So Bluetooth is a obvious benefit while Infrared is more of an redundant technology. Denzelio 21:56, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Uh... compatibility with existing hardware, and not forcing people to buy a separate remote just to control a single device (thus defeating the very purpose of a 'universal remote') is hardly redundant. Do bluetooth-controlled televisions even exist yet? If so, they certainly aren't prevalent. Obviously, a bluetooth-only solution is not superior to one which actually acknowledges the existence of, um, the television to which the device is attached.

However... that said... I've yet to read any coverage of people being significantly upset over the 'lack' of IR support for the PS3. I seem to recall reading an incredibly brief comment about it on IGN or some such site, but not an actual criticism. As such, I don't see how it would really apply to the article. Now, if people start marching down the streets chanting "We want IR support for our PS3's!", and it's covered on CNN, then you better believe it'll find its way into the article. :D Bladestorm 23:07, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Well, I bought one the other day, before opening it, found out about the lack of IR. It was such a turn off, that I returned the thing the next day. I am not lazy, but the PS3 made it to my house for the Blu-Ray and I couldn't see myself juggling two remotes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.248.139.85 (talk) 01:42, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

In a few years I would think the old IR Universal remotes would be replaced with BlueTooth Universal Remotes, all that needs to happen first is Televisions to adopt the BlueTooth Technology as the Television is always the Primary remote in a household and the others would then follow ie. Stereo, Dvd>Blu-ray Player..... So unless a later slimline version of a PS3 has a IR sensor and or by that time if BlueTooth Universal Remotes exist i doubt the PS3 will support IR Remotes. Denzelio 23:20, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Contradiction in sales figures??

"In the worldwide marketplace, PlayStation 3 is currently behind its competitor systems, the Xbox 360 and the Wii... ...likewise the PS3 sold 2.5 times more units in June than the Xbox 360." Is it just me, but does the first part say that the PS3 is behind the Xbox, but the second part claims that it is ahead? Someone less lazy than me might want to fix this up. 59.167.93.124 13:24, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

I Believe it's refering to te fact that it's total sales figures are lower, but the monthly ones are higher, i can understand both existing at once.ReZerO 05:31, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

actually, the problem is the sentence structure. But if you read closely the sentence reads "In Japan... likewise the PS3 sold 2.5 times..." The first sentence is in regard to worldwide sales, where the PS3 is behind Xbox 360, and is being outsold by the Xbox 360 in monthly sales. The second sentence is only about Japan. In Japan the PS3 outsells the Xbox 360 (surprise, surprise), but the Xbox 360 sells so much more in the rest of the world it makes up for its low Japan sales and still sells more monthly than the PS3. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.165.59.39 (talk) 11:15, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

HDMI Support

Under Hardware, the article says HDMI is available on all models. It is actually only available on the 80 gb model, not the 60 gb model. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.30.54.210 (talk) 09:04, August 28, 2007 (UTC)

it's on all Models, even the 20 gb model, i have a 60 gb model and my PS3 has it. [4] there is a diagram providing the information for you. note the things that only come on some models are marked with an (*).ReZerO 05:27, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

I second that. HDMI is standard on all models of the PlayStation 3, ever since the beginning, unlike the Xbox 360, which only started phasing them in recently, and even then, the Xbox 360 only uses HDMI 1.2, whereas the PlayStation 3 has the latest HDMI 1.3.(Myscrnnm 20:15, 19 September 2007 (UTC))

TO MANY TOPICS

Can alot of these topics be removed, some are un-needed and old and ir-relevant and 62 Topics is quite alot with so many now irrelevant. Denzelio 21:57, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Blanking is not considered a way to do so. Archiving is. I'll see if I get the chance to archive the page a bit later. Anyone else who is familiar with how this page is archived can do in the meantime.¤~Persian Poet Gal ^(talk) 01:05, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Ok I archived most of the topics and stopped around the posts that were added around mid August.¤~Persian Poet Gal ^(talk) 05:59, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

A Love Letter to the PS3

In the publicity and reception section section of this article, I count twice more positive reception paragraphs, and two negative ones, one being extremely small. I think this is very POV. I noticed a lot of negative publicity missing, for example the whole violent episodes that occurred during the opening night. This section should be rewritten so that it's not POV. C. Pineda 03:07, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

I think the violence has little or nothing to do with the console. It's a news story about avarice. How exactly did the PS3 cause wealth disparity and the will to break the law for personal gain? There isn't a need for "negative" views on a random neutral consumer item. There is note some liked it, some didn't. The machine itself isn't the devil. The company behind it screwed up a lot with PR but the machine itself does not kill babies. Request we portray it more negatively is painting yourself in a bad light. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.75.33.118 (talk) 10:32, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Actually, cut the whole reception and publicity section, just leave the features of the PS3, that way this article will be more neutral. Plus the reception and publicity could change in the future, so no point in trying to conclude something that is inconclusive. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.10.155.39 (talk) 09:39, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

If that is the case, does that mean there should not be recetion and publicity section in any wikipedia articles. I do not think we should delete a the reception section just because some fanboy thinks the Playstation 3 is the best console ever. I am a Wii fan, but I accept the flaws in the Wii. I do not go crazy that there are negative stuffs about the wii its own article. Plus, I think the reception is a great way to show the reaction of the people. Something sales records cannot show. It is just a number. Fanboy needs to understand not everyone thinks PS3 is the best console in the world and they just need to accept it.69.25.227.57 08:09, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

PS3 80GB can play PSone and PS2 games.

I went to youtube in recently and there is a guy who said that 80GB version can play PSone and PS2 games well but here is the proof but that person is NOT me! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-nOTzV24ag Rickengothic 10:19 , 31 August 2007 (UTC)

The 80GB PS3 does not have the Emotion Engine or the Graphics Synthesizer, but it can still play games through emulation. True, it can not play as much games this way, but it can still play a good amount. There is no such thing as a PlayStation 3 unit that has no backward compatability. Closetoeuphoria 04:11, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Wrong! The 80GB (and EU 60GB) version indeed has a GS chip, and lacks only the EE. Just look out for the many motherboard photos on the net. Unfortunately, while the EE can be emulated, the GS is a much harder to emulate part. The new 40GB PS3 lacks the GS chip, too - hence no emulation at all.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.101.27.232 (talk) 19:41, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

The same number that function well upscaled will also function on the 80gb version. The upscaler is a emulator and does it in software. It seems to be around 80% without problems. I think Sony's site has an official list.

The new 40 is said to not have Backwords Compatability. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.70.144.73 (talk) 16:23, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Does a single PS3 console support up to 7 players?

Well, I saw that the SIXAXIS controllers have a total of 4 LEDs, indicating that the maximum number of players that can use the console at any given time is four, not seven. Just that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.16.114.33 (talk) 23:44, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Player 5's controller has the 1 and 4 lit up at the same time, player 6 has 2 and 4 lit up, and player 7 has 3 and 4 lit up. Also, don't forget to sign your posts. Closetoeuphoria 04:08, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

It's true, provided you don't have a bluetooth headset on, the PS3 can support 7 bluetooth devices at once, so if you have a keyboard and a microphone that are both bluetooth then you can only have 5 controllers etc -- Vdub49 20:40, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Semi-Protection

Where did the protection go?? -- Vdub49 02:16, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Yep. It's been vandalized by this 70.44.etc. guy. Bakarocket 13:06, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Can we get some protection on this again, please?

I started fixing stuff, but the vandal has changed a whole bunch of single words. I can't be bothered going through it all only to have him do it over. Someone doesn't have a job apparently. --Bakarocket 13:19, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

PS3 to PC lcd monitor

The PS3 requires for all games and movies a HDCP compliant monitor/TV. As a alternative you can play games on 480i (ntsc) format with obviously less resolution. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.181.10.145 (talk) 18:32, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

if your PC monitor supports HDCP it's 100% supported, i have a Samsung syncmaster 205BW and it works perfectly via a hdmi to dvi cable Markthemac 01:21, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

I have answered any other concerns in the HDCP section below. It is actually the 1.3a HDMI verification that requires HDCP, not just the PS3.--WhereAmI (talk) 01:30, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Rumours of a recall?

I've heard rumours that Sony is considering recalling the PS3 due to negative reactions and lack of sales, pricing, glitches, etc etc. Judging by this article I'm supposing this isn't true? --Marshmello 22:55, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

That rumor is 100% not true. Sony has said that they plan the PlayStation 3 to have a life span of at least ten years. They would not recall the system. Closetoeuphoria 01:43, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

You mean all of them??? uhh I seriously doubt that. -- Vdub49 00:31, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

the ps3 has some hotly anticipated games, Sales are inline with the other HD system, prices have been cut and the failure rate is rather low. So... yea, either someone lied to you or they mistook the phase out of the 60gig for the cheaper 80gig's to be a recall. 207.210.20.237 07:36, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

why on earth would any company plan a recall for a device that is not defective or dangerous. We should remove this section because it's such a blatantly useless post. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.75.33.118 (talk) 10:36, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

It's more likely the Xbox 360 would be recalled in Japan then the PS3 be recalled in any region as no sales in any region have been as low as Japan 360 Sales, and the fact a console with 33% failure rate is left on the shelves not recalled and or marked down is disturbing. Still i think only a Xbox fan would come up with a rediculous rumour of a PS3 recall. Denzelio 23:10, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

a recall for what? that it's so perfectly built that they want it back for the pricey components so they could sell it to Microsoft for their 2billion dollar faulty console? Markthemac 01:25, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

actually the rumor is a bit more factual than that. sony would never order a recall themselves, but sony is being sued over... their cell i believe. i never payed much attention to the law suit, and i read this months ago, but some company has a patent that the cell infringes on or something and they want money and a total recall of all ps3's. i don't know the current status of this law suit, but if they win 100% then there will be a recall, but i doubt a judge would grant that, and if they win they probably will get X dollars for ever ps3 sold. i might try and find out more about this suit later, but this is the only recall rumor i have heard. 142.165.59.39 00:34, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Standards MB vs MiB

What's with referring to MB in some sections and MiB in others? It looks terrible, and is confusing. Stick with KB, MB, GB, or the "binary" prefix KiB, MiB, etc. My preference, for the record, is KB, MB and GB. Sjhill 18:37, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

I agree, keep it simple, I think KB, MB and GB are easier for people to follow -- Vdub49 22:24, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

It should be standardized in the article, however the differences is because people use "Gigabytes" while computers use "Gibibytes". The size difference between the two explains why you "lose" 7% of your hard drive's storage. Useight 03:12, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Unfair Statement

It says in the aritcle that in most cases the PS2 is outselling the PS3, but it fails to mention that the PS2 is also outselling the Xbox 360. 75.52.170.140 20:17, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

This is an encyclopedic entry, not a fanboy blog to compare the merits of the PS3 to the Xbox 360. A listing of the PS2's sales performance compared to the Xbox 360's is outside the scope of the article. You should post your complaint in the Xbox 360 article's discussion if you feel that it is relevant to the Xbox 360. And please remember to sign your comments. Bdhoff 22:28, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

It also fails to mention that Apple once made a console called the Pippin that sold fewer consoles in its lifespan than the PS3 sells in a week. But really, is this on topic? The PS2 outselling the Xbox 360 doesn't have anything to do with the PS3, so why should it be included? Unfair statement? No, accurate statement. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.165.59.39 (talk) 11:19, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Sony to release $399 PS3 (40GB) this holiday

I found this article in gamepro.com. http://www.gamepro.com/news.cfm?article_id=133528 Rickengothic 10 September 2007 10:41 pm

From the content of the article it seems as though this is more speculation than fact. --Bdhoff 22:35, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, it's fact now. 02:03, 6 November 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gleb Perch (talk • contribs)

HDMI 1.3 Bitstream Controversy?

Why does this not even get a passing mention in the article? A lot of people bought the PS3 thinking it could do bitstream output of Blu-ray's DTS-HD MA audio, but when receivers finally rolled out that could take the input we found out that the PS3 had left off this apparently optional feature of HDMI 1.3. This is a pretty big controversy in the world of Blu, I think it deserves mention. --Ray andrew 13:52, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Thats the first I've heard of it, this is not "the world of Blu" this is a ps3 artical. wheres your source? And if you have one where does it say that they won't include it in a firmware upgrade since it's "optional"? -- Vdub49 21:05, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Well this article is about the PS3 and playing Blu-ray discs is one of its primary functions. Sources are forums and blogs over the last several months (do a search), but all say that the HDMI output chip in the PS3 is not capable of passing bitstream for DTS-HD or TrueHD. Many people are quite upset about this as none knew that this was an optional part of the HDMI 1.3 spec until recently. --Ray andrew 21:28, 11 September 2007 (UTC) Link: http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/05/08/no-dolby-truehd-or-dts-hd-for-ps3-owners/ --Ray andrew 21:35, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Your article was posted four months ago, and I haven't heard anything about it in the mainstream news. And you should read the article again, it does do True HD, just not DTS-HD. --Bakarocket 05:51, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

it doesn't do DTS-HD YET, sony has commented on this that they might upgrade if there is enough interest in it. Markthemac 02:23, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Read the article again, the PS3 does support decoding True HD and passing it as LPCM (and this topic has NOTHING to do with that), but it cannot pass the undecoded bitstream of TrueHD or DTS-HD (which is the real problem) via HDMI for external decoding. --Ray andrew 03:47, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

how about we look at it again shall we? TrueHD thing is crossed out, implying that they were wrong. this isn't even a credible source. -- Vdub49 03:50, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm not saying that they are a reliable source (yea they crossed it out because they were lambasted by people tat did not know the difference between passing LPCM and bitstream). Find another they are plentiful with a google search. One of the reasons for the frustration among users is that even the supposedly reliable PC World got it wrong a year ago

The minutiae of the PS3's audio settings are even less clear. Neither of the two BD Audio Output format options--Linear PCM (the default) and Bitstream--is explained. I had to go to Sony directly to find out.
The PS3's default is to convert recognized audio streams to Linear PCM, an uncompressed audio format, for output via HDMI or digital optical audio. This can be advantageous if, for example, you're outputting to an HDTV that has built-in speakers and decodes only Linear PCM. If you're using your own home theater receiver, though, you'll want to use the Bitstream setting: In this mode, the PS3 passes the audio "bitstream"--be it Dolby Digital, Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby TrueHD, DTS, or DTS-HD--through to your receiver via the HDMI or optical connector; from there, the receiver decodes the audio and outputs it to your speakers.

Seems pretty clear to me, but it was a lie.--Ray andrew 05:25, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

What???? that makes no sense, how can it be pretty clear, but be a lie. -- Vdub49 22:26, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

The quote from the article clearly states that Sony confirmed that the PS3 would be able to pass bitstream for TrueHD and DTS-HD, but that was a lie the PS3 can't do it. The best it can do is decode TrueHD and pass it as LPCM, but it cant do anything with DTS-HD. So maybe I should have said that they blatantly mislead people. --Ray andrew 00:55, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Look. I have an idea. Once you determine if there actually is a controversy or not, and once you have sources that back up the controversy and the alleged lying, then you can put it in. No one has objection to truth, just unsubstantiated rumours. -- Bakarocket 13:29, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

This is nonsense, the PS3 can output both TrueHD and DTS:MA just fine. Where the confusion (or deliberate FUD) comes from, is the HDMI 1.3 chipset used in the PS3 (Silicon Image Vastline 9132), is a lower number that the regular set top HMDI chip (Silicon Image Vastline 9134), and therefore assumptions (or deliberate FUD), says that it must be inferior, because it's part number is lower (the actual fact is, they are identical, aside from a couple of specific functions that the PS3 can do onboard, and not need dedicatated silicon to perform.--195.75.83.25 15:11, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Bull, there is no way to currently get DTS-HD out of the PS3, and the only way it will happen is to update the PS3 to decode DTS-HD internally. It cannot transport the undecoded DTS-HD bitstream over HDMI (or TrueHD bitstream for that matter). --Ray andrew 03:10, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

PS3 outputs undecoded DTS-HD,DTS:MA and TrueHD just fine. Perhaps you don't know how to setup your system? Perhaps you have incompaible components on the HDMI chain. If you have the right components, the PS3 outputs the formats undecoded, just fine, all I see if lots of speculation and rumour that it can't (from I suspect XBots and their HDMI 1.2).--81.174.171.21 11:01, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Give me one reliable source that says this works then. --Ray andrew 14:13, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

i've added lacking infos about 7.1ch in the article, didn't knew there was an ongoing thread here. source is the official ps3 manual, check chart notes in page 21. the manual infos are about the 2006 original firmware. there is a selectable HDMI audio output option in current firmware 1.93 user's guide: bitstream/LPCM but this is about 5.1 DTS & DD as "HD" is not mentioned. Cliché Online 14:56, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Grammatical Corrections

I would like to note that the Playstation 3 article in Wikipedia has a few minor errors with respect to past-present tense usage. For instance, the article says that "Sony have...", however the correct usage of the past-present would be to say that "Sony has...". I understand that this a minor correction, but it would help to clean it up.

Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.234.149.2 (talk) 17:25, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Please see the wikipedia standards on English variation. The phenomenon you are talking about is perfectly acceptable in all regional variants of English except American. If the article in general uses American English, please go ahead and change it because you may be the only person on the planet who minds. If it uses anything but American English, it shall stay as it is. --Bakarocket 12:25, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Continued Vandalism

Some nerd with no life keeps vandalizing the page by replacing the Top-Selling game. Instead of Resistance: Fall of Man, they replace it with NCAA Football 08. I know for a fact that a football game that was only recently released didn't sell that many copies to become the top selling game. They have done this on more than one occasion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ShinraiTS4 (talk • contribs) 23:40, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Removal of infomation and Infomation that should be listed

the information regarding negative comments made by Todd Howard from Bethesda Softworks (http://www.fragland.net/news.php?page=1&id=15404) have been completely removed for this page as has the region coding infomation about blu-ray titles not working on a ps3 that have been purchased from another region!

DRM information should be included into the ps3 page stating that ppl need a HDCP screen to view content via the hdmi output of the ps3. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDCP

Pigfister 10:52, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Spelling Error

In the line:

"European Imaging And Sound Assioation awarded the PS3, top honours for its media centre capabilities."

Association is spelled wrong. If this article wasn't locked (which, I might add defeats the purpose of Wikipedia) this issue would be resolved, but it's not.

dont take it the wrong way, but I think we'd rather leave it locked so it's not vandalized; but I'll fix it. -- Vdub49 01:55, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

DUAL SHOCK 3 - Rumble Feature Finally Available On The SIXAXIS Controller

"The Dual Shock 3 will launch this November in Japan, while the US and Europe will receive the new controller in the spring of 2008."

http://au.ps3.ign.com/articles/821/821010p1.html

http://au.ps3.ign.com/articles/821/821358p1.html

http://au.ps3.ign.com/articles/821/821289p1.html Denzelio 08:41, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

This link here : http://playstation.com.au/news/dualshock3.jhtml Shows many games that will use Dual Shock 3. As well as many which are already released and will obtain Dual Shock 3 through a future "Software Update" (Firmware Update). Anyway this is worthy of mention on the PS3 Article Page, as these titles in particular Motor Storm, Resistance: Fall of Man and Warhawk have been some of the best sellers and will obtain Dual Shock 3 at a future point. Denzelio 12:01, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

New PS3 Model Undergoes Testing - PS3 Model CECHG01

"Adding more fuel to the rumor that Sony is planning to release a new PlayStation 3 model soon, a new FCC filing surfaced today showing that the company has submitted a new unit to the agency for testing."

80GB PS3 Model - CECH01

60GB PS3 Model - CECHA01

NEW PS3 Model - CECHG01

CECHG01 - is Rumored to contain a 40GB HDD possibly may even be Slimline but doubtful it will be Slimline.

http://au.ps3.ign.com/articles/823/823425p1.html Denzelio 23:23, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Here's a more complete list that can be deducted from this article [5]:

CECHA01 NTSC 60GB
CECHB01 NTSC 20GB
CECHC01 PAL 60GB
CECHD01 PAL 20GB
CECHE01 NTSC 80GB
CECHF01 ditto?
CECHG01 new type, the rumoured 40GB model.

I suggest to include this list (once verified) in the main article, for instance in the table with specs. The Seventh Taylor 06:16, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Would be better to include these Model Names in the 'PlayStation 3 launch — Release data and pricing', Similar to the way the Model Names for Each Country with price and Model Name are shown under the PS2 Article, If the American pricing is removed for every Country, their will be more then enough room to place in the Model Names, It is also odd why there is even American Conversions shown next to every country and price.. is it clearly not needed as we don't all live in America? Denzelio 20:59, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

In the meantime, can anyone explain the difference between the CECHE01 and CECHF01 types? Supposedly both are 80GB models for NTSC territories. The Seventh Taylor 16:34, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Page must be protected.

I'm having a feeling that these Xbox 360 fanboys are going to vandal this Playstation 3 site, please more protection! HweeWieng September 28 2007

Considering that the page has been doing just fine thus far, almost a year into the console's life, I think the current protections are enough. -FrYGuY 08:01, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Ah if only.. John.n-irl 12:50, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Study

I read on ign a couple of weeks ago about a study by a financial group I think, saying that the ps3 will outsell the 360 by 2009 and by 2012 have the most software sales. Does anyone have a link to that and if you do, can you put it in the publicity section.--Playstationdude 16:33, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

That is a possiblity not fact if it did happen then it could be included but that could go either way. if put in some of the studys saying that the ps3 is dommed should be there to avoid being bias —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.237.228.133 (talk) 02:00, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

http://au.ps3.ign.com/articles/820/820689p1.html

Like many of us believe that Primarily when the PS3 Console price drops and when the Highly anticipated Exclusives are released the PS3 will finally Boost in sales possibly also due to the Blu-Ray market also taking off. Denzelio 02:41, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

despite the article(in the link)we cant just put in the good and leave out the bad. The article has too many mabys in it what if the PS3 crashes and burns? if more arcitles give the same info then put it in:) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ralon silver (talk • contribs) 06:38, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Elimination of Emotion Engine

Many reports, including ones quotes in the main article, indicate that the initial PS3 units contained the Emotion Engine (EE) of PlayStation 2. Now, PS2 contained two major processors, the EE and the Graphics Synthesizer (GS) which, after each having gone through some silicon shrink steps individually, got combined onto a single die. This single EE+GS chip powers the later PS2 units (likely from the time of the PStwo redesign). I would expect this chip (EE plus GS) to have been embedded in the early PS3s -- not just the EE. Can anyone confirm this? The Seventh Taylor 21:11, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Feed

Was checking out g4 website and on the feed they have more proof that the $400, 40gb PS3 is coming. They even think the release date is Oct. 28. I'm not saying that we should add this officially on the article yet, but I'm getting goosebumps!--Playstationdude 01:15, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

PlayStation Network

The service is having several difficulties being anywhere near as popular as the Xbox Live system.

Have moved the above unreferenced comment here. If someone can provide a reference, then it can be put back. Icemotoboy 03:40, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

ps2 cpu backwards compatiblity and ps2 gpu backwards compatiblatiy

why does it say on the 60GB pal version there is no ps2 cpu backwards compatiblity but there is ps2 gpu backwards compatiiblity? isnt the emotion engine and graphics systhsizer all in one chip? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.218.246.100 (talk) 19:37, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

See my question 3 sections above.The Seventh Taylor 22:56, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Total Removal of PS2 Backwards Compatability

http://au.ps3.ign.com/articles/825/825213p1.html

The New 40GB PS3 will not allow for any Backwards Compatibility at all and is very surprising. As at first Sony decided to remove PS2 Compatibility chips in order to save with Production costs, and instead chose to use 'Emulation Software', which as a result leads additional time being taken to further include PS2 tittles under Emulation, rather then straight 100% compatibility through Dedicated PS2 Chips. Yet the New Console has neither the PS2 Chip nor Emulation Software, So this may just be an insight into later Versions of the PS3 and or a later Slim-line version at a later date ofcourse. Sony had stated that they didn't want to focus on just updating 'PS2 Emulation Software', and this system that was a result of 'Extensive Research' may just show that with out demand for PS2 support later versions may not include 'PS2 Software Emulation' in future systems yet to be Released. One of the strong points for the PS2 was the Backwards Compatibility, The PS2 was the first system to offer Backwards Compatibility, and the new 40GB PS3 is now the first to remove Backwards Support for Modern day Consoles. So for the new model you may just have to sacrifice your PS2 collection or hold on to your PS2 console for the foreseeable future. In basic this PS3 model is now the first current Next-Gen Console not to include backwards Compatibility. Denzelio 23:40, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

(xbox 360) would you really call 30% at launch and 40% a year and a half later Backwards computability?Manic-pedant 05:21, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

PS. The xbox 360core is not BC out of the box it requires a HD to be installed. So actually that was the first version of any third gen console without BC. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Manic-pedant (talk • contribs) 05:30, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

New Ps3 Release in Australia

http://nz.playstation.com/news/newplaystation3.jhtml;jsessionid=BKGDLFGQELM4RS3YIXZSFE4LXBC5EIV0

Can someone finish updating the ps3 page so that this information is included. I would do it mayself, but I'm lazy :P (and have no idea what im doing) I have tried to get a little bit in (last paragraph under launch), if someone would like to tie it up nicely, that would be appreciated. 00iddy 01:06, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Time to update the Retail Configuration PS3 Console Table

With the Addition of the new 40GB Model the 'Retail Configuration' Table is getting Confusing, Can someone either mention next to or under the 20GB & 60GB that they are now 'DISCONTINUED' or give them a Color to Signify this as their obviously isn't 4 different types of PS3 Consoles available in Retail Stores. Denzelio 03:53, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

60GB is not discontined at all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.174.171.21 (talk) 16:58, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

60GB PAL Discontinued link: http://au.ps3.ign.com/articles/825/825517p1.html Denzelio 03:03, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Anyone got any sources for the edits being made to the page? The current table looks a bit of a mess John.n-irl 12:51, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Why does it say "glossy finish"? Seems bit weird to include that as its the same on all models(the demo models were different i know but they never saw a release). John.n-irl 18:54, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Matte finish on 40GB model?? This is only a rumor started by a site. SONY never confirm anything about "matte finish" on Playstation 3 40GB. In official UK site of Playstation there is a photo of the 40GB Playstation 3 box and its a black glossy finish cover. The link: [6] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.205.34.249 (talk) 07:49, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

have a look for yourself. Here are the official Sony pictures of the 40GB unit: [7] The Seventh Taylor 22:18, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

New CERAMIC WHITE PS3 & CERAMIC WHITE DUAL SHOCK 3 CONTROLLER for Japan

http://au.ps3.ign.com/articles/825/825861p1.html

40GB PS3 model will be released in Japan on the 11/11 along with the New Dual Shock 3 controller, Both the New 40GB PS3 and Dual Shock 3 Controller in 2 Colors.

The Japanese 40GB PS3 is the same Model Technically as the European Model. The 40GB PS3 is not compatible with PS2 titles, The 40GB PS3 will also lack support for the SACD format.

In Japan 2 Colors are will be available for the New 40GB PS3, Clear Black (40GB PS3 model CECHH00) and Ceramic White (40GB PS3 model CECHH00). 'Clear Black' is the same color as the Current PS3 Consoles.

In Japan the Dual Shock 3 controller will also be available in 2 colors, Black (model CECHZC2J) and Ceramic White (CECHZC2J CW).

The New Japanese 40GB PS3 will not include a Dual Shock 3 Controller. The New PS3 still includes the standard SIXAXIS controller. The 'Clear Black' PS3 will include a black controller while the 'Ceramic White' PS3 includes the white controller.

With the announcement of the 40GB for Japan, There is Currently no mention of Discontinuing the Other PS3 Models for Japan. Denzelio 22:06, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Jack Tretton's 1,200 Dollar Deal

So, I know Jack Tretton bet 1200 dollars that no PS3 on store shelves would last more than 5 minutes without being bought, as it says in the main article. Could someone please add that the guys from Penny Arcade, as well as Handsome Tom and Stuttering Craig from Screwattack both tried to get Jack Tretton to pay them something like 50 K USD because they hung around a Gamestop or something and watched a stack of PS3s not get sold for more than two hours? I believe that this is on the article for Screwattack itself on Wikipedia.

They did not receive their money, and Jack Tretton never even responded.

Luckyhat4 20:31, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Just a note, Jack Tretton is the president/CEO of Sony Computer Entertainment of America. - XMog 12:58, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Hardly related to PS3, it's just more CRUD to make this article less Wikipedia friendly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.75.83.25 (talk) 15:09, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

If you want to mention this, then please include all the facts, like when Tretton said this, there were indeed no consoles around, however when it was published, there was. Basically he was stitched up by said magazines, who delayed reporting it, until there were new supplies, then claimed foul. It's easy to get sucked into believing what the gutter press want you to believe --81.174.171.21 (talk) 08:32, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

40 GB Model and backwards compatibility

The main Wiki Article is stating that "The 40 GB model does not feature any backwards compatibility with PlayStation 2 titles".

This is an unfounded rumor which is displayed as fact and should be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.14.21.166 (talk) 19:22, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Straight from the Sony Computer Entertainment website link that is already referenced in the article: "The new model is no longer backwards compatible with PlayStation®2 titles, reflecting both the reduced emphasis placed on this feature amongst later purchasers of PS3, as well as the availability of a more extensive line-up of PS3 specific titles (a total of 65 titles across all genres by Christmas)." http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/release/071006e.html Please do not remove the comments of others from talk pages. Dancter 19:59, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

The PlayStation 3 competes with ..... Nintendo's Wii

Isn't that disputed - including by both Sony and Nintendo themselves?!?!? Also, it is akin to stating that the Lamborghini Gallardo competes with the Ford Focus..... 86.17.211.191 00:50, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

No, that is like saying a Razr is competing against Nokia N95. Since both are mainly used for a single service, they are competing. -- ReyBrujo 01:27, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Well my first point stands. Even Nintendo say they are in different markets. And what is this "single service"? Gaming? So, Lambos and Fords don't provide the same service?!?! Anyway, PS3 offers many more services than does the Wii. 86.17.211.191 18:19, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

i agree. referencing to the wii should be removed from both xbox 360 and ps3 pages, and xbox 360 and ps3 should be removed from the wii's page. nintendo has said that they don't compete with those consoles, and even said that the wii isn't a "next gen" console. i think about this everytime i go to any of the three articles. it should be removed. 142.165.59.39 19:46, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Why should mentioning of the Wii be removed? They're all 7th gen consoles. Thus while they may claim they're not competing with each other, they are still very much associated with each other. And isn't this topic dead already? Chan Yin Keen | Talk 01:30, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

should i find the link of nintendo man... (srry, only really know names of sony/microsoft people) saying that the wii isn't a next generation console and doesn't compete with them? 142.165.59.39 03:13, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Could certainly debate that all of them are/aren't next gen consoles, but due to their release dates, we consider them current gen. Much in the way we examine the Xbox, PS2 and Gamecube as last gen due to their lifecycle and what was on the market, not by what each can and cannot do. What generation a console is does not lie solely on the fact that it can render things in HD or the PR spin of the likes of their marketing managers. Chan Yin Keen | Talk 09:19, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Unreal Tournament 3 PS3 Exclusive?

The article states "It was also revealed that the first-person shooter Unreal Tournament 3 will be exclusive to the PlayStation 3 in 2007". This is obviously outdated and I don't think it was ever true. The PC version will be out next month and the PS3 and 360 versions will come out some time later. 202.89.191.212 01:27, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

UT3 is a PS3 Console exclusive. Developer has stated, they have not even started on a 360 version of UT3, and the 360 won't be capable of the UT3 (both limitations of DVD drive, and Microsoft DLC restrictions being cited as the causes). Don't expect to se UT3 on anything other than PC and PS3 for the next year or so.

Therefore it is in no way an exclusive 'console' title. To claim it as such is misleading. Virtua Fighter was not an 'exclusive' PS3 title once the 360 port was announced. Skate was not an 'exclusive' Xbox 360 title due to the 2 week gap before the the PS3 release. Furthermore, games often vary from platform to platform (multiplatform games that lack online support for the PS3 for example), that does not make them exclusive to specific platforms. You are twisting the meaning of 'exclusive' beyond common parlance and this is unhelpful. It is clearly a non-exclusive multiplatform game with platform specific versions and varied release dates. Unless you suggest an intelligible reason why this isn't so the noted sentence should be removed or modified in order to reflect the facts.

For a period of time it was announced as a PS3 console exclusive title. The fact that the article no longer even mentions it as an exclusive title probably reflects the changes in the developer's stance accordingly some time in the past. Why are we even discussing this when it's not even on the article anymore? Chan Yin Keen | Talk 02:06, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

chart colour nonsense

why are the usb 4x and 2x cells the same colour? it doesn't make sense. yellow colour is supposed to be used to show "partial" difference with the full spec. like hard or soft emulation, now with everything green there is no difference at all. it gets confusing to newcomers. Cliché Online 12:30, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

I think the color is fine; but I have a problem with the backward compatibility section, I think it either does or does not work none of the hardware and software stuff. -- Vdub49 01:50, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

change the sales numbers

the sales numbers in Europe are now 1,697,638.

Here is my source: http://n4g.com/News-75071.aspx

Will The 40 GB PS3 be released in North America?

As you have stated in the article, there will be a 40 GB PS3 in the nearby future but will it be in North America? if so, will the package contain a High Definition Media Interface wire? I would deeply appreciate to hear a response between now and late November. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.199.196.226 (talk) 13:07, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

The New 40GB PAL PS3 Model does not even include the LAN Cable, that the other PS3 Models came with so you would be very lucky to see a HDMI Cable in the box, as no PS3 Model have even yet included HDMI Cable, and the 40GB is of course a Lesser version of the Higher Models. Denzelio 13:17, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

So when will it be released? i hear it will be early November. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.199.196.226 (talk) 13:29, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

40 GB U.S. PS3 Date Announced, Also 80GB Soon Will Get A Price Drop

http://au.ps3.ign.com/articles/828/828382p1.html

As Already mentioned the 40GB U.S. PS3 will be the same as the 40GB PAL PS3 Model, Non PS2 Compatible. Will Retail for $400 and Release date is the 2nd of November

"Sony also plans to cut the price of the existing 80-gigabyte version from $600 to $500" Date of the Price Drop is not yet Confirmed. Denzelio 20:26, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Not true. The price drop is effective immediately. I made additions already, but perhaps someone could check my edits. Dancter 20:28, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

|here is a sorce to confirm the price drop, which is weird because you think they would make a big announcement about it maybe I missed it. -- Vdub49 04:20, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

No more PS2 support?

CNN says, "The new low-end model won't be able to play games made for the PlayStation 2." [8] This article on Wikipedia says (in the table) that the new 40GB PS3 does not have PS2 compatibility, but in other places it says that compatibility is (or formerly was?) provided through software. Which is it? I find it shocking that Sony would completely remove support for PS2 games from the PS3, but this article and CNN both seem clear that this is what's happened. Either way, the article should be clarified. - Brian Kendig 20:59, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

It really should be. We probably won't know for sure until people other than semi-clueless mainstream journalists actually use the 40GB model. I would not be surprised that they dropped backwards compatibility altogether; even though you can still emulate through software, by doing that you need a dedicated group of individuals to release updates allowing certain games to be playable (or just play better). Seeing as how Sony is in financial trouble with the PS3 as it is, they are probably throwing every single thing they have at just the PS3 aspect. Can't blame them for thinking that way. User918 04:32, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Backwards Compatibility will not totally be removed for the PS3, As PS1 Games for instance make money from people buying and downloading the emulated games through the PS3 Network. PS2 Support disappeared obviously because there was no money to be made from spending time having staff work on further PS2 support with no obvious financial gain as PS2 games are not available to be paid for, like the PS1 games can be through the PS3 Network. The End of PS2 Support may also indicate that soon at some stage that PS2 Hardware and Software may finally be Discontinued, The sooner the better for PS3 Sales as consumers usually prefer a cheaper alternative and there are many cheap PS2 games available in stores.Denzelio 20:39, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Time to Update PS3 Sales Chart

North America - is now 1.75 Million - http://au.gamespot.com/news/6181267.html?om_act=convert&om_clk=newstop&tag=newstop;title;3

Europe - is now 1.69 Million - http://n4g.com/News-75071.aspx Denzelio 01:25, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

The 1.69 million PS3s sold in Europe information on http://n4g.com/News-75071.aspx comes from VG Chartz, which is not considered a reliable source since the sales numbers on VG Chartz are projections and not actual sales figures. --Silver Edge 02:20, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Add current price for different regions?

I think it would be appropriate to add the current prices in the table that compares the different versions. For models that are no longer officially available, the last official MSRP could be added with an asterisk to mention that it is no longer sold.--SkiDragon 09:30, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

USB keyboard and mouse

I was under the impression that the PS3 will only work with "plug and play" keyboards and mice. If this is true, the article should make it clear. 62.25.106.209 14:59, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Sony respects rising Canadian dollar with price drop

i think it should be noted that the price of the ps3 high end and low end model is the same in the us as it is in canada. (this is a simple short fact and shouldn't cause any trouble if its added, thank you for your time) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Crack stuntman (talk • contribs) 02:08, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

playStation 3 Unprotected?

It has to be protected because many other users will threaten to start the flame war. Professional Gamer 18:54, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

when did the protection end? I just put it up there in case of a mistake. -- Vdub49 18:54, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

The Playstation 3 materials

There is a serious lack of information on the maufacteuring details of PS3. It's materials, what plastic, how recyclable it is. These are details that should be here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.108.255.91 (talk) 20:32, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

wtf? this is not a GreenPeace article. Cliché Online 19:37, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Major revision to 'Retail configuration'

With this reference still requiring that the section be modified and most likely shortened with more specific reference to PlayStation 3 configurations i have created and placed a table over the wording of the section and, as such viewing the release data in a table is much easier to read and view, rather the the many sentences specifying basically announced and then the release date. This way there will be less space taken by this section by those many references. I have left all the previous wording underneath the table so that i can get an opinion on whether people prefer the lengthy wording or a table specifying the same data. I am also not familiar with joining citations to the data so there is yet none connected to the table. As for the table, yes there already is a table about release information but that table does not clarify both the release and current price only one which is not the best reference also strangely contains alot of un-needed information on the (USD) for every region? which is odd as Wikipedia is worldwide, Like the previous wording of the section the table is by date. All the information in the table is from the previous wording there are a few gaps as not all prices word specified and or every region.Denzelio 01:33, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

I would prefer having the retail configurations removed, leaving only the descriptions of the models, dates and a few more things, but not much. Wikipedia is not a product catalog, no need to have the price in every region. It should also be removed from all other console articles. -- ReyBrujo 01:37, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

If it is just a test, it should not go directly on the article. I have moved the table to Talk:Playstation 3/retail table.--Kyle_(talk) 06:08, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Restructuring?

Why does it needs restructuring? It looks fine to me. Jørgen88 19:27, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Europe loves ps3 more than 360

This weeks sales in Europe showed on the feed: 1.DS 2.Wii 3.PSP 4.PS3 5.PS2 6.360 7.GBA —Preceding unsigned comment added by Playstationdude (talk • contribs) 01:07, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

What feed? Reference? Is this even worth mentioning? Chan Yin Keen | Talk 02:20, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

The Feed on the U.S. channel G4. Here is a link to the blog of it: [9]

I didn't mean to say this should be in the article.--Playstationdude 13:02, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Not to be a spoil sport, but this is not a forum to discuss about the PS3. Chan Yin Keen | Talk 16:07, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

The mention of You suck

Some one needs to remove this statement from the bottom of the page between the last two expandable references. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.131.96.16 (talk) 22:53, 31 October 2007 (UTC) Okay no problem sailor! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.139.98.131 (talk) 02:59, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Folding@home

According to this article: folding@home the PS3 help create the worlds alrgest distributed computing network. I think thats a notable achievement worthy of a section on the PS3 article.Manic-pedant 18:52, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

It's already mentioned in the Folding@Home article, I don't think it's worth having a section here when it's probably going to end up a word for word section with it's bit on F@H. Chan Yin Keen | Talk 19:49, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Manic-pedant, I think it should be mentioned under "PlayStation 3 cluster" rather than it's own section in the PS3 artical. -- Vdub49 21:34, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Mentioning this achievement int hat section would be good. the folding@home hit 1 petaflops. Manic-pedant 19:25, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Ads

Does anyone want to work with me on a advertising section of the PlayStation 3? There is a lot of stuff for it. Like the new Entertainment Universe, different slogans, and critism on the original ads like the crying baby.--Playstationdude 00:13, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Wi-Fi support on 40GB model

Can anyone confirm whether the 40GB model has Wi-Fi support? The article currently contradicts itself on this matter - the infobox at the top of the page states that only the 60GB and 80GB models have Wi-Fi, but the "Retail configurations" section indicates that all models except the 20GB one have it. 217.155.20.163 14:33, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Backwards Compatibility with PS1

It states on the wiki that the 40GB is compatible with the PS3 is this correct? I thought it had no compatibility with any older PS game —Preceding unsigned comment added by College Watch (talk • contribs) 23:28, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

PS1 games work fine on PS3. It's only Xbot talk that says they don't/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.75.83.25 (talk) 16:23, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

If you don't know if it's true, College Watch, please do not add the information. If you had examined the note at the bottom of the table and the cited reference, backward compatibility with PS1 games was never accomplished through hardware. Dancter 21:46, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

80 GB NTSC-J model

Does anyone know if and when the Japanese version of the 80 GB model will be released? -- Ishikawa Minoru 23:55, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

New Ads

Somewhere in the article someone should mention the new campaign ads Sony created. Either put it in the publicity/reception section or make a new area and group it with the old ads.Einstein the afrodude 00:22, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Minor correction

There's a 90mn that's supposed to be 90nm. 68.6.53.79 07:43, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, it's Fixed. -- Vdub49 01:51, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

PS3 2.00 firmware released

Major update to the PS3 page needed —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.17.235.19 (talk) 08:10, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

I think it should be stated somewhere that you can make your own theme for your PS3, look under the "Creating your own themes" section -- Vdub49 01:49, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

PS3 sales update

According to NPD the ps3 has sold 2,105,500units in the US.Link [10] Karbfg10k 15:58, 8 November 2007 (UTC)# Karbfg10k

Request to Add PS1 compatibility to Table Grid

This will make it easy for new users to know compatibility of the original PS1 games for the various PS3 Flavors College Watch 18:06, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

As I answered above, it's already mentioned in the table notes. What you added before was factually incorrect. Dancter 19:38, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

40GB PS3 has no Universal power supply?

I've been hearing that the 40GB PS3 lacks the Universal power supply of the 60GB model, can anyone confirm or deny this? Admeister200x

The 40 GB comes with the 3 pronged plug on the back, with no external power adapter necessary, as all PS3's do. Df747jet (talk) 08:00, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

PS3 Problems

I'm the owner of the PS3, and it experienced high problems and it stopped working, and it flashed red and I called it the "Red Flashing Light Of Death". Professional Gamer 16:10, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

60B PAL to be replaced by 40GB?

It says in the article (in the retail configuration sections):

"Once stocks of 60 GB PAL region model are exhausted, the 40 GB model will be the only one available in the SCEE territories."

and references it to: http://uk.playstation.com/ps3/news/articles/detail/item80772/Entertainment-like-you%E2%80%99ve-never-seen-before/

but i read through that article and it doesn't mention that there are any plans to replace the 60GB with the 40GB. Is this wrong, i hope it is. C hris_huh^talk 15:22, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

I switched the reference to the general European announcement, which does mention it, though Gamespot has a quote from a spokesperson in which it is stated more explicitly. Dancter (talk) 17:42, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Sony have ONLY ever said the 60GB/80GB are being discontinued, so unless (and it's a BIG unless), Sony don't release a new high end PS3 to replace them, then yes, the 40GB will be the only model. Now considering Sony want to get a premium price for the PS3, for as long as they can, I think it's a safe bet, that a fully featured high-end 60/80GB replacement, with an even bigger HDD, is a near certantity, It's just they are not ready to announe it yet, for fear of stalling 60gb/80GB sales. Once supplied are low, you can bet an announcement will be made. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mgillespie (talk • contribs) 22:55, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

1 of 8 SPEs reserved for redundancy

Do any of you know why 1 of SPEs is reserved for redundancy.

To incease production yields of the Cell CPU.

How and why you would be able to activate on.

Never gonna happen...

PS3 Hardware

Did a google on this subject and can not find any answer anywhere.

Apparently its assumed broken and then assigned to the PS3, the fully working Cells are used in IBM servers and stuff. John.n-irl (talk) 05:53, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

PS3 outsells Wii in Japan

The playstation 3 has outsold the Wii for the seconf week in a row. As this is probably due to the price cut ad is likely to continue, I think this needs to be added to the sales sectionEinstein the afrodude (talk) 14:28, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Just report the facts: no speculation. There is likely to be a sustained boost in sales, but all we know right now is the sales up to this point. I already edited the Wii article based on this news, but that article is in somewhat better condition. This article hurts my eyes. Dancter (talk) 16:11, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

I don't see the need to report it if it's only 2 weeks we're talking about. Better wait until Sony releases a press release stating they've outsold the Wii in Japan, or something similar. — EliasAlucard (talk · contribs) 23:11, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Although it's only 2 weeks that the PS3 has outsold the Wii in Japan, it is in the context of a extended trend for the region in which weekly Wii sales in particular had been decreasing. Regardless, even if the increase in sales only lasted for the two weeks, it would still be a clear effect of the lower-priced options that were made available. Even if the new pricing had no effect at all on PS3 sales, it would be worth noting. Dancter (talk) 05:09, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Okay, so note it then. Just remember that this isn't a blog where you post minor updates. — EliasAlucard (talk · contribs) 05:15, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

According to Enterbrain, the PS3 sold 183,217 units in November in Japan, outselling the Wii’s 159,193 consoles. while this isn't an enormous amount, it is notable since this is the first month the PS3 has beaten the Wii in sales.Einstein the afrodude 20:38, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Regioncodes?

Are there any region codes on the games? Can European consoles play US-American/Japanese games, beside the NTSC/PAL topic?
How about DVD/Blueray regiondes? Is it possible to play US-American DVDs or Blueray discs on European consoles? --Nemissimo (talk) 13:17, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
- For PS3 games, it's region free. Anything else is regioncoded. DVD follows the same regioncodes as the PS2 does, and PS1/PS2 games are regioncoded the same way as it is on PS2 consoles. The only thing that's regionfree is PS3 games. Blu-Ray is also regioncoded. — EliasAlucard (talk · contribs) 15:09, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. Is it possible to use a Linux Player on the hardware to watch DVDs or Blueray regioncode free instead? And... is it correct that on the consoles with the the smaller HDs, any external USB HD can be pluged in without any problem? Is there any size limit? --Nemissimo (talk) 16:22, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

HD size is not a fixed limitation. You can plug any 2.5" laptop HD into a PS3 without any adverse effect on the warranty. Thus if you pleased you could install ubuntu linux on your ps3 and use a linux movies player to play out of region DVD's or any other linux supported format.Manic-pedant (talk) 22:08, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Is it possible to use a Linux Player on the hardware to watch DVDs or Blueray regioncode free instead? — I've never tried it on my PS3, but VLC in Linux works fine since it decrypts the region codes when watching DVD movies. Should work on the PS3 as well if you use Linux+VLC. — EliasAlucard (talk · contribs) 22:37, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Star Ocean 4 exclusive?

It says here that Star Ocean 4 will be a PS3 exclusive. However, on the article for the game itself, the platform is stated to be unknown at this time. Wuzzat about? 209.243.25.69 (talk) 01:13, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Your right. It has not been confirmed in any matter and I have removed it.--WhereAmI (talk) 23:53, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

PS3 Price Justified

To many, the PS3 is to expensive, and they will go after the so-called cheaper Xbox 360. But when you look at the bigger picture, the PS3 is easily the better deal. It comes with many things that 360 owners will have to pay extra for. Free Blu Ray player, free wi-fi, free online service, and an updateable HDD are just some examples. The 360 elite is $500 (i think), but when you add the HD DVD player($150), the wi-fi ($100), 6 years of Xbox Live ($420), and 4 cotroller recharging kits ($80), you get almost $1250. That is way more than the PS3's $600.

I just guessed most of these prices (but I know they are pretty close) to roughly show people the true price of the 360, so feel free to put different prices (as long as you are sure that they are real).

Darth Hemsky (talk) 22:33, 24 December 2007 (UTC)