Talk:Places in Harry Potter/Archive 1

Archive 1

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I like cheese?

The citations for Chamber of Secrets chapters are showing up with "I like cheese" after them. I can't quite figure out how to change this vandalism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.23.69.135 (talk) 06:19, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Done. It was the template that was vandalized. --Stroppolo^talk 11:05, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Book or film?

What's the point of having this article called "List of places in the Harry Potter books" and then having a section called "Muggle locations used in the Harry Potter films"? 65.92.204.139 04:07, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

'Muggle Locations for filming' needs to have its title changed. It's one thing to refer to Kings Cross - which is featured in the books - as Muggle. The other places have never featured in the books. They are not 'muggle', they are 'real world'. Michaelsanders 09:08, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Salem Witches' Institute

DarkMark.com is not a reliable source for verification on whether this is a school or not. According to Salem witch trials: "In the fourth book of the Harry Potter series, Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire, a group of 'middle-aged American witches' are observed by Harry as sitting under a banner reading 'The Salem Witch's Institute' at the Quidditch World Cup. This is a probable reference to the Salem trials." If the witches were middle-aged, they would hardly be at school; the reference itself seems to be more of a pun on Women's Institute. Either way, without confirmation either within the books or from the author, :whether Salem Witches' Institute is a school or not is purely speculation, even if the speculation is linked back to a fan website such as DarkMark.com.

I'm moving Salem Witches' Institute from the schools sublist to the main list. --Foetus In Fetu 20:30, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Places in Harry Potter

The title of the info-box generated by the "Template:HP Place" is "Harry Potter locale". The word "locale" is not in my OED and I do not understand what it means or is supposed to mean. The Wikipedia entry locale sheds no light on the matter. Why can you not use "place" or "location"? – Mikeweasle 23:04, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Well, yer OED is old, ain't it. And it claims to be English when in fact it's really British, and based on old Brit lit and chit (grocery lists, Shakespeare, and the like) to boot. My fine Merriam-Webster online Amerglish dictionary says (and here I'm paraphrasing), "Locale -- etymology: modification of French local, an adjective -- 1 : a place or locality especially when viewed in relation to a particular event or characteristic; 2 : SITE, SCENE (the locale of a story)".

So there you go, not only is "locale" common Amerglish, but it derives from French, and as anyone who knows history will attest, the Brits hate their Froglish cousins across the channel, so much so, that history records that Winston Churchill, when visiting the Maginot Line after WWII, unzipped his trousers and took a whiz on the French trenches, inviting his accompanying reporters to do the same, just to show his disdain for the totally inept and weak-sissy effort the French defenses represented in the face of German tanks and airplanes. The clever Hun cheated during the second war and just flew or drove over the French holes in the ground (Maginot is Froglish for 'big hole').

Thus this I contend is why the OED omitted "locale" from its pages: sheer unmitigated bald-faced prejudice. They saw a Froglish word they could drop, so they did. Amerglish dictionaryists don't know no better, so they include it. There ya go. 76.243.129.217 09:06, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Why is so much effluent tolerated on these Talk pages? Anybody who doesn't recognise locale as a perfectly good English word needs their head examined, never mind their dictionary. (Though both, in my humble opinion, could benefit from a good kicking.)

Nuttyskin (talk) 16:53, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

Spinner's End

The seventh book seems to indicate that "Spinner's End" is a street and not the name of Snape's home. Should it be removed from the list of places and left in the list of streets? GCD1 18:53, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Beauxbatons coat of arms

This edit seems unusual, wherein the user states in their edit summary: "Added the Beauxbatons coat of arms as created by user ToManyLetters. This image is free of copyright restrictions" . Is the coat of arms a new design, or a reproduction of the JKR denoted CoA by ToManyLetters? If its the first one, its fan OR, and cannot be included. If its the latter, it is most certainly covered by copyright. Either way, it cannot remain. Should I remove it, or does someone else want the honors? - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 04:55, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Copywritten work often makes its way into Wiki articles. Based on the information attached to the image, the image was originally created by ToManyLetters based on Rowling's description, and has allowed their work to be used here on this site. --12.173.121.242 06:08, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

With regard to the WP:NOR comment I quote from the WP:NOR article,

"Pictures have enjoyed a broad exception from this policy, in that Wikipedia editors are encouraged to take photographs or draw pictures or diagrams and upload them, releasing them under the GFDL or another free license, to illustrate articles. This is welcomed because images generally do not propose unpublished ideas or arguments, the core reason behind the NOR policy."--12.173.121.242 06:39, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Durmstrang

I've removed the ridiculous demands for citations in the Durmstrang section that in the film the students and professor wear ushankas. It's plain as day onscreen. This is the same as demanding a citation for "Ron wears a frilly robe to the Yule Ball."209.169.87.191 05:15, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Wrong answer, sport. And you might find that your edits will be a lot more palatable if you don't characterize others' edits as demands or ridiculous. Find me a citation that specifies, "clear as day", that the objects we are seeing are the items you seem convinced they are. If you are unclear about the rules on OR by synthesis, I would urge you take a gander at them before responding to the email or reverting the replacement of fact tags. Your opinion isn't enough for inclusion. - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 23:48, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Would you similarly demand citations that the items worn around the necks of Hogwarts students are neckties? Or that the the pointed black thing on McGonagal's head is a witch's hat? How does one cite what is seen onscreen? You're putting the cart before the horse here.209.169.87.191 04:04, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

No, because most people reading the English language wiki know what a necktie is. Now, if I were talking about a specific rep tie (which many prep schools and colleges use), I would need to cite that - in the context of someone speaking of Harry Potter. As well, a witch's hat is pretty well-known to folk using the English language wiki, but I suppose if it were being discussed, it would have to be cited as such - again, within the context of the Harry Potter books or films.

In answer to your question about how we cite things we see onscreen: we don't. We take the info from people who have written about the film and use that. it's the difference between primary (your observations) and secondary (cited sources) observations. If the cited source says they are wearing oxford ties or babushkas or whatot, then we can include it. If they don't, we dont. I hope that explains matters a bit more clearly. - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 05:07, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

"The relative situation of Durmstrang to Hogwarts, the possibly German name chosen for the school in the middle ages and the absence of German family names among the Durmstrang delegation point to a likely location in the northern part of the Monastic state of the Teutonic Knights, today's Estonia or northern Latvia." This is completely ridiculous. Karkaroff or Krum are Bulgarian as far as I remember. Bulgaria, as everybody should know, is in the BALKANS, and Balkans are quite a long way from Latvia or Estonia. Saxon or more widely German settlers were present in Eastern and Southern Europe from Middle Ages on, so Durmstrang could be located anywhere: Vojvodina, Transylvania, Estonia... I really don't get the thing with "our friends from the North". Anyway, the presumption that the school is located in the former lands of the Teutonic order seems not to be very justified. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.41.227.200 (talk) 11:13, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes, Krum plays for the Bulgarian National Quidditch team. However, with Hogwarts being in Scotland, there are very few relevant countries "to the North"...Norway, Sweden, Finland, maybe Estonia and Latvia, and of course a large portion of Russia Grsz11 (talk) 15:51, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

First of all, we should collect all pieces of information about Durmstrang.

1)It's headmaster name is Igor Karkaroff

2)Viktor Krum and a certain Poliakoff are studying there

3)Dumbledore welcomes Durmstrang's students as "our friends from the North."

4)At the Yule Ball Krum told to Hermione, that "... in winter, ve have very little daylight, so ve are not enjoying them. But in summer ve are flying every day, over the lakes and the mountains"

5)Durmstrang students wear heavy furs with blood-red robes.

It's clear, that neither Balkans, nor Baltic states are acceptable for us. We all know, that Hogwarts is located somewhere in Scotland. Balkans are situated much further south than Scotland. Baltic states and Scotland are situated at the same latitude. Moreover, in Baltic states we have no mountains. Absolutely. The highest point of Estonia - 318 meters above sea level; of Latvia - 311.6 m; of Lithuania - 294 m.

The real place should be situated

1)In Europe

2)Near the Arctic Circle - because "in winter ve have very little daylight".

3)Near mountains and lakes

It can only be in Scandinavia. But in Scandinavia there are four countries - Norway, Sweden, Finland and Russia. And now we should analyse names of Karkaroff, Krum and Poliakoff. It's clear, that Krum is bulgarian, but Karkaroff and Poliakoff are not. Igor is russian name, and Poliakoff is russian surname. And slavic school should be situated in slavic country - in Russia. Moreover, in film "Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire" Durmstrang's ship, when appeared, maked it's sail. And on this sail you can see the Double Eagle - the symbol of Russia (also of Albania and Montenegro, but they don't meets our geographic conditions). I think, now it's clear and indisputable, that Durmstrang is russian school. But Russia is big country, and where exactly Durmstrang is situated? In Kola Peninsula, Murmansk Oblast. There are a lot of lakes there. There are two mountain ranges: the Khibiny Mountains, and the Lovozero Tundra, the latter with points up to 1,120 metres in height. Finally, the Kola Peninsula is crossed by the Arctic Circle. Good place for Durmstrang, isn't it? Deymos34 (talk) 02:50, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

I was just starting to wonder...how many people out there are annoyed by the representation of Durmstrang students in the movies? The 'weird stick dance' really ticked me off, it reminds me of how most people who I talk to Russia about either say it's communist or they have really bizarre dances. On that note, I always thought Durmstrang would be in Russia. Not logged in, sorry, I'm eddisford. 71.155.233.211 (talk) 00:57, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Eddisford, after the Perestroika such dance is OK in Russia. Though, from my point of view, it's not OK to the Hogwarts spirit. Deymos34 (talk) 02:50, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Theleakycauldron.jpg

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Fair use rationale for Image:HogsmeadePoA.jpg

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Please ask Mistress Rowling

Somebody please ask Ms. Rowling what happened to Mr. Fortescue. Was he murdered? Was he kidnapped and later rescued? Did he run away and go into hiding? Das Baz, aka Erudil 15:47, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Article Title

Does anyone object to moving the article to Places in the Harry Potter series or something similar? Useight (talk) 23:10, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

St. Mungo's Hospital

St. Mungo's is introduced in Order of the Phoenix and I am always amused by the floor guide described in Chapter 22. E.g. "ARTEFACT ACCIDENTS" Ground floor : cauldron explosion, wand backfiring, broom crashes, etc." My question is, Is it too much information to include the entire quote in this article? or if included, should it be restricted to the names of the departments only? Or indeed really just too much information in a Wikipedia article of this nature? I will be guided by the opinions of others, as it is very tempting to "personalise" articles and thus detract form the over all intention of the project. Proxxt (talk) 05:17, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Hogwarts Castle

Why the information on Hogwarts castle are not included on this article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.8.238.235 (talk) 05:29, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

See Hogwarts. faithless (^speak) 05:31, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

inaccuracy about platform 9¾

thanks for the article, I think there is aמ inaccuracy about the Hogwarts Express and platform 9¾. the article says: "which is invisible to Muggle eyes" but first, it is invisible also for wizards till they go throw the wall and second, Muggles do go sometimes to the platform and see the Hogwarts Express train. for example see Snape's memories in book 7 which describe Petunia and Lily's parents (muggles) standing on platform 9¾. Amnon —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.81.232.195 (talk) 16:40, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Weasley's Wizard Wheezes opening date

Fred and George mention the location of their store in Chapter 29 of Order of the Phoenix. The store is described in such a way that indicates it is ready to be opened for business immediately. The Wiki article claims the store was opened in the summer segment of the following book. Eyamseryath (talk) 21:56, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

The Burrow

Wasn't it burned to the ground in the sixth movie, creating disagreement between the book and movie, or did they supposedly save it in the movie? Shouldn't this be mentioned in the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.212.106.138 (talk) 02:26, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Hogsmeade

It appears that both The Three Broomsticks and The Hog's Head pubs are credited in their entries as the headquarters of the historic Goblin Rebellion of 1612. Also the term "Goblin Rebellion" is capitalized in The Hog's Head and not in The Three Broomsticks. Finally, I must regretfully point out that Dates_in_Harry_Potter#Events does not list a goblin rebellion in 1612; in fact there is nothing listed for that year, nor does the cited Wiki list any goblin rebellions at all, although an early book reference indicates that there were so many that Ron couldn't keep them straight. Dick Kimball (talk) 19:28, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Fictional fictional fictional

In my opinion there is no need to specify "fictional" in every paragraph. I suspect that most of these paragraphs have been merged from separate articles in which it made sense to clarify this. The introduction to this article makes it very clear that what follows is a list of fictional places and the repetition is quite tedious. Mezigue (talk) 10:51, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

anti fancruft activism, applied unevenly?

Seems like there's a double standard. Minas Morgul gets its own article despite playing a relatively small role in the LOTR trilogy, while Grimmauld Place, which is relatively more important within the Harry Potter series (and the series itself being much more popular than LOTR in terms of total book sales) not only doesn't get an article, but the article summarizing all the places in Harry potter gets nominated for deletion (twice)! Seems like the anti-fancruft activists turn a blind eye to certain things that they happen to like. 76.85.196.138 (talk) 11:10, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Upper Flagley

Ron, Hermione and Harry went to Upper Flagley, a wizard village, thinking they could find one of Voldemort's Horcruxes there, and Upper Flagley isn't here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.92.88.219 (talk) 21:52, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Exterior?

Can someone check the use of exterior in the description of St Pancras for the platform? It seems confused 109.155.228.113 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 15:01, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Filming Locations Omissions

Many scenes of the films were shot in the Bourne Woods near Farnham in Surrey(UK) - officially listed as HBP, DH1 & DH2, but I'm fairly sure it was used for earlier HP films as well. Some of the house scenes were shot in and around houses in the area. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 20.133.0.13 (talk) 12:41, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

Is this list 100% accurate and complete?

Is this list 100% accurate and complete? I am asking for a reason. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.78.228.228 (talk) 20:48, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Goblins are not greedy.

Goblins are not a greedy race, they just have different views on gold, money and treasure to that of humans.

Griphook espouses this sentiment when Ron inadvertantly offends him by offering him anything they find when planning to raid the Lestrange vault, and Griphook responds with "I will not take that which is not mine!" - or words to that effect. Whilst yes, they covet what they have, and this is why they believe that goblin gold belongs to the maker not the person paying for the item, their covetousness is only applicable to what they consider to be theirs in the first place. Bill Weasley seems to be the only Wizard who understands this. Chaheel Riens (talk) 14:20, 19 May 2016 (UTC)

Split

On the French Wikipedia, a similar list reached today 170 Kb. A contributor decided to split the list and create an article about Hogsmeade, with a 27 Kb size.

I was interested to create the interwiki for this new article, and noticed en. is in a similar situation, with a 12K content, several sections.

A split could be interesting, especially to allow to treat sources and leave MOS:INUNIVERSE. --Dereckson (talk) 15:51, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

About the schools of Mahoutokoro & Uagadou

So are these actual creations of Rowling? (If so, which works do they appear it?) From fanfic which Rowling since approved of? Entirely things from fanfic? Or the creation of some prankster & needing to be deleted? Citations in some form would help these sections. -- llywrch (talk) 18:57, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

I just spotted all this and removed those schools. I guess it's from Pottermore? Mezigue (talk) 20:46, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

What do you mean that you guess? The Ilvermorny section, which I've restored, is littered with references. I can also confirm that Castelobruxo, which I didn't restore since it didn't actually have sources, at least appears in the Hogwarts mobile game, so it's not simply a work of fan fiction. It's extremely likely that none of these schools are from fan fiction, but it's true that without proper references a reader can't tell. -- Fyrael (talk) 21:53, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

Castelobruxo

Hi! I see the discussion above regarding the additional wizarding schools, but I would like to add back a section at least on Castelobruxo as Rowling gives the background on Pottermore on this school in addition to confirming that this school is mentioned in the actual books (Goblet of Fire), when Ron is discussing Bill's pen friend from a school in Brazil. The majority of Ilvermorny's source is Pottermore as well, except the source from boston.com which get's its information from Pottermore; this is why I think using just Goblet of Fire and Pottermore as sources should be okay. Let me know if you're okay with this, thanks! -- Dylanregina (talk) 04:39, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

I'm gonna go ahead and add it as it has been about 24 hours and I haven't seen a response. Let me know if anyone has any issues with this, thank you! -- Dylanregina (talk) 03:44, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

Beauxbatons

Sadly, beauxbâtons doesn't mean "beautiful wands" in french but "beautiful stick". A wand is called a "baguette magique" in french, shortened in "baguette" (yes, like the bread). "Beautiful wands" would have been "Bellesbaguettes". Absolutely no one in french call a wand a bâton. :D Matieu Sokolovic (talk) 12:29, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

While it's possible that nobody would choose to use bâton instead of baguette when talking about a wand, anyone who sees bâton in the context of the name of a wizarding school and isn't being intentionally dense would translate the word as "wand", not "stick". It's very obvious that the author wanted to use alliteration and trusted that the reader could look just barely past the literal translation. The sources support the translation. -- Fyrael (talk) 15:08, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

Redirect from Beauxbatons

I have changed the Beauxbatons article to redirect to the section of this article similar to Durmstrang which was changed to a redirect in 2007. I believe these schools have similar notability and should be treated similarly on wikipedia. Per Wikipedia:BLAR I have changed it to a redirect and putting a notice here. I incorporated the article content and references to the Beauxbatons section of this article. Mousymouse (talk) 05:15, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Ottery St. Catchpole

Ottery St. Catchpole redirects here, Ottery St Catchpole to Ron Weasley. Is this intentional or should it be fixed? Sn KGS (talk) 22:56, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

No, it seems to be a mistake. Both should point here. —El Millo (talk) 23:18, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

 Fixed —El Millo (talk) 23:18, 17 August 2023 (UTC)