Talk:Pier 40

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Review: February 17, 2020. (Reviewed version).

A fact from Pier 40 appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 19 March 2020 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Pier 40, a sports facility in New York City's Hudson River Park, was formerly a cargo terminal?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2020/March. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Pier 40.

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GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Pier 40/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: MWright96 (talk · contribs) 18:01, 17 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

As a thanks for reviewing one of my articles, I shall review this one. MWright96 (talk) 18:01, 17 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@MWright96: Thanks for taking up the review, and for removing that unsourced paragraph. I only realized just now that the paragraph about the 2017 truck attack - which incidentally is irrelevant to any aspect of Pier 40, other than the fact that the attack occurred nearby - was added by an IP user who apparently likes to add badly sourced info about terrorism to other articles as well. epicgenius (talk) 18:42, 17 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): b (focused):
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:
It is stable.
No edit wars, etc.:
It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall:
Pass/Fail:

Lead

"The pier is the largest structure in Hudson River Park at over 14 acres in size" the convert template should be used on "14 acres"
- @MWright96: Done. epicgenius (talk) 20:02, 17 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

History

"and ended all operations around 1983.[16][17][18][19][20][1]" - refs should be in numerical order
- I removed the last three ref mentions as citation overkill. epicgenius (talk) 20:02, 17 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"Additional plans called for a branch of the Guggenheim Museum[28]" - a comma is missing between the word "museum" and the reference
- Done.
"The main field (occupying the former cargo level) began construction in 2004" - the parentheses are unneeded
- Removed.
"and opened in May 2005 with then-Governor" - don't use wording such as "then-Governor"
- Reworded.
"and 40% of the entire park's annual operating budget." - 40 percent per MOS:PERCENT
- Removed.

Current condition and use

"Pier 40's design resembles a square doughnut," - should be donut since this is an American topic
- Didn't realize that - in NYC we have both "doughnuts" and "donuts". epicgenius (talk) 20:02, 17 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"also referred to as the pier's "shed"," - referred to by whom?
- Clarified.
"the pier is held up by over 3,500 steel H-pile girders" - more than would be better in this instance
- Done.
"According to several reports, the Pier is severely dilapidated and gradually sinking into the Hudson River." - do the sources state why it has become dilapidated and is sinking into the Hudson River? If so then it should be included into the article.
- The NY Times source doesn't say why, and neither does the NY Post. I can only assume that the pier is sinking because of the deferred maintenance, but there's nothing in either source. Villager source (which I did find a new url for) only talks about the dilapidation. epicgenius (talk) 20:02, 17 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"the Pier was closed after being engulfed by over 12 feet of water." - the convert template should be used on the text highlighted in bold
- Done.

As Hudson River Park

Wikilink dugout to Dugout (baseball) and batting cage
- Done.
"covering each half or each corner of the field respectively.[42][40]" - refs should be in numerical order
- Done.
"Prior to 2008, Public Schools Athletic League-sanctioned" - the acronyms of the Public Schools Athletic League should be mentioned in parentheses
- Done.

Future development

"several proposals have been floated" - made?
- Done.
"cost anywhere from'" - between
- Done, but "between tens and hundreds..." epicgenius (talk) 20:02, 17 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"A 2012 proposal from local real estate developer Douglas Durst (who served as the chairman of Friends of Hudson River Park group until late 2012)" - how about A 2012 proposal from local real estate developer and former Friends of Hudson River Park chairman Douglas Durst instead so that it is more concise?
- Done.
"A 2014 proposal would demolish and redevelop the St. John's Terminal Building across the street (owned by the Atlas Group) into a residential and retail facility over the course of 10 years" - not so sure whether the mention of the Atlas Group owning the St. Johns Terminal Building is notable unless they proposed the idea
- Removed. I also added a red link to the building, because it is notable and pretty prominent, and I am surprised this doesn't have its own article. epicgenius (talk) 20:02, 17 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"but would generate and estimated $100 million in revenue." - typo; should be an
- Fixed.

References

No shouting in the references per MOS:ALLCAPS please
- Fixed.
References 1, 4, 16, 23, 24, 31, 35, 39, 43, 45, 46, 59 are dead and require archiving
- Just to be sure, I archived all the refs. epicgenius (talk) 20:02, 17 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Reference 8 should have the publisher of the source inserted
- Fixed.
The work of Reference 24 should be Downtown Express and not The Villager
- Fixed.
Reference 56 should feature the publisher not the work of the source since it is not a newspaper citation
- Fixed.

The main issues with the article concern the prose in certain areas and the status of some references which are dead but can be archived. On hold. MWright96 (talk) 19:39, 17 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@MWright96: Thank you very much for the expedited review - it was much faster than my 2-week-long GA review, for which I apologize. I have addressed all of the issues above. epicgenius (talk) 20:02, 17 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Epicgenius: Reference 46 will need replacing since it is a permanently dead link MWright96 (talk) 20:31, 17 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:53, 14 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Aerial view of Pier 40

... that Pier 40, a sports facility in New York City's Hudson River Park, was formerly a cargo terminal? Source: NY Times 2014
- ALT1:... that Pier 40, a former cargo terminal in New York City's Hudson River Park, was later proposed for redevelopment as a soccer stadium or entertainment complex? Source: NY Times 2014
- ALT2:... that Pier 40, a popular sports facility in New York City's Hudson River Park, was proposed for closure because it had been sinking into the river? Source: NY Times 2012

Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/110 North Wacker

Improved to Good Article status by Epicgenius (talk) and Tdorante10 (talk). Nominated by Epicgenius (talk) at 17:01, 18 February 2020 (UTC).[reply]

Article was promoted to GA status on the 17th. QPQ has been completed. Earwigs is down, so I am going to AGF that the article passed copyvio tests in the course of its GA review.. Hooks are interesting, cited, and short enough for DYK. Morgan695 (talk) 15:13, 19 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Was able to run Earwigs and it found no instances of copyvio or close paraphrasing. Morgan695 (talk) 20:51, 19 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]