Talk:Phonetic notation of the American Heritage Dictionary

Requested move 2 June 2017

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The result of the move request was: page moved. This wasn't a clear-cut choice, but the current title was clearly opposed. Of the options presented, it seemed to have wide acceptance, or at least tolerance, compared to the others. (closed by non-admin page mover) —Guanaco 04:35, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

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American Heritage Dictionary representation → Phonetic notation of the American Heritage Dictionary – Per WP:TITLE. "American Heritage Dictionary representation" is not an official or common name of the notation and could mean anything that represents or is represented by the AHD. It just is not a neutral or specific enough title to meet WP:PRECISION. Nardog (talk) 23:55, 2 June 2017 (UTC) --Relisting. Winged Blades ^Godric 09:08, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

Oppose. "Phonetic notation of the American Heritage Dictionary" is not an official or common name, either. The name is only a description. As the term "Labovian notation" has been used on the page /æ/-tensing, it seems that it is most conventional name.LakeKayak (talk) 18:03, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

@LakeKayak: Is "Labovian notation" used by any reputable sources? I know that googling names is not the ultimate solution but, again, there are almost no hits for that name. Mr KEBAB (talk) 18:55, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

There are a myriad of articles with descriptive titles on Wikipedia. "American Heritage Dictionary representation" could not possibly a common enough name, as, again, it could mean any kind of representation that is remotely related to the AHD. Even Americanist phonetic notation has the word "phonetic" in the title. Nardog (talk) 11:42, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Support. I googled the current name and, apart from Wikipedia, nobody seems to use it. The title you propose is more precise, so I see no harm in renaming the article. Mr KEBAB (talk) 18:51, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

I think we should rather call it Pronunciation respelling of the American Heritage Dictionary because that is even more precise. After all, there is no Wikipedia entry for phonetic notation – it is a mere redirect to phonetic transcription –, but there is an entry for pronunciation respelling. --mach 🙈🙉🙊 16:52, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

I can get behind that. I simply got "phonetic notation" from Americanist phonetic notation, but sure, "respelling" may be technically more accurate. Nardog (talk) 11:42, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

@J. 'mach' wust: I am a little hesitant about that name because the pronunciation isn't really a respelling.

However, I am beginning to second thoughts. I think one issue with Nardog's original proposed name for the page is still too formal. How about American Heritage Dictionary phonetic notation That seems to be a less formal name.LakeKayak (talk) 18:25, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

@J. 'mach' wust: Well now that I look at the definition given at Pronunciation respelling, I'm inclined to agree with LakeKayak in that the notation in question isn't really a respelling as it diverges a lot from English orthography with funny diacritics. I think the use of the word notation here is reasonable in comparison to transcription too because that is the main focus of the article.

But I cannot agree with LakeKayak's suggestion either because "American Heritage Dictionary phonetic notation" is too long of a noun phrase and a bit clunky, while "Phonetic notation of the American Heritage Dictionary" is just about the right amount of formal to me. I think I'm sticking to the original proposal after all. (cc: Mr KEBAB) Nardog (talk) 10:20, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

Since there is no reason to prolong the conversation (it's not a popular article anyway), here's a quick poll in hopes to facilitate the discussion, in which anyone may or may not participate. This, obviously, is not to determine the overall decision (WP:DEMOCRACY). Nardog (talk) 13:17, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Candidate	Nardog	LakeKayak	Mr KEBAB	J. 'mach' wust
American Heritage Dictionary representation	Strong oppose	Weak support	Oppose
Phonetic notation of the American Heritage Dictionary	Strong support	Strong oppose	Support
Pronunciation respelling of the American Heritage Dictionary	Weak support	Oppose	Oppose
American Heritage Dictionary phonetic notation	Weak support	Support	Oppose
Signature	13:17, 13 June 2017 (UTC)	18:19, 13 June 2017 (UTC)	13:24, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

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