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Footnotes 3–6 in need of revision

The footnotes no. 3–6 are not specific enough. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wieselwendig (talk • contribs) 10:53, 30 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Rough translation tag

I've added a rough translation tag for this article - the state it's in now is certainly better than the article was before, and I don't think it should be reverted back to that state, but reading through there are too many inconsistencies and awkward phrasings such as "The representation starts abruptly in an ongoing conversation", so I've added the tag. Psychastes (talk) 05:20, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That seems appropriate.--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 12:33, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, thank you for reviewing and copy-editing, sorry for the poor quality of the work. Thiagovscoelho (talk) 12:37, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I happened to be looking for a Plato dialogue to work on anyway, it's not the end of the world. :o) Psychastes (talk) 05:19, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Working on cleaning up the citations now, I suspect given the differences between policy that a lot of them, (especially the references to commentaries such as Frede, Benardete, and Delcomminette) are really suggestions for further reading so we should probably verify that they're actually supporting the text. Probably we don't want to rely too heavily on Delcomminette anyway unless it's necessary since this is enwiki and that work is in French. There are certainly also other commentaries (Gosling, Hackforth, Davidson, etc.) that could be referenced that are available in English.

As far as sourcing, it doesn't seem like there's anything dubious so far, a lot of the article is summarizing the dialogue which typically doesn't need secondary citations anyway, and the primary ones mostly look fine to me based on what's written and my own familiarity with the dialogue. I don't think any content needs to be removed on this basis, we just need to make sure we're not attributing things to people who didn't say them! Psychastes (talk) 05:51, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For housekeeping I'll also plan on converting the citations over to short footnotes and collecting a bibliography at the end; many of them are to the same few works, and the length of individual footnotes in the German version is quite long and difficult to read easily. Psychastes (talk) 17:11, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed Delcomminette from all inline citations after finding several examples where the text was just a summary of the work with no claims being made requiring further verification. Anyone who wants to consult that work (which is full commentary) can use the provided table of contents in that work to find the page numbers associated with each section of the philebus, we don't need to separately record them here. No objections to that source being included in the future if someone wants to add content to the article that is actually supported by it. Psychastes (talk) 18:59, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]