Talk:Phi Delta (medical)

Phi Delta (Medical)

Should Phi Delta (Medical) be moved to Phi Delta (medical)? Leschnei (talk) 11:29, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Yes. I reviewed the Fraternity and Sorority Project watchlist, and realized that in all other cases, the modifier "medical" is set in lower case, both for existing Wikipedia articles and proposed (redlinked) article names. Jax MN (talk) 14:45, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Or should this be Phi Delta Medical Fraternity, the formal name. There is a sorority called Phi Delta too. Rublamb (talk) 14:53, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Naraht and I prefer to take the modifiers out of the article names and infoboxes, and similarly omit "Incorporated" where it pops up in the article name. However, these clarifications are certainly proper in the lede paragraph.

When I worked through the watchlist, adding actual and potential (~redlinked) GLO articles, I adopted the naming syntax that had been most commonly used up until that point. Then I moved several articles with non-standard names to what emerged as the standard naming syntax. Thus the oldest national societies, dormant or active, had first rights to use a Greek letter name. Chi Tau, for example. Standardized modifiers were adopted for clarity, such as (fraternity), (sorority), (professional), (honor), (University of Vermont), etc. All were rendered in lowercase except for the variation on Delta Psi for the non-affiliated Vermont group, which is correctly capitalized.

BTW, after a long search I found a Phi Delta (medical) crest, and have uploaded it. Until a better engraving emerges, this should suffice. Jax MN (talk) 16:59, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Assuming you will sort out moving the draft for Phi Delta (medical) with Phi Delta (Medical)? Jax MN (talk)

This of course leads to the question of whether a group should be forced to a dab term by a group that is in Defunct North American collegiate sororities, but that's a different question.Naraht (talk) 17:52, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, I thought of that too, especially since the medical fraternity is the older of the two. But you and @Jax MN can make the call on that since you both worked on the defunct article. I turned the redirect for Phi Delta to the Defunct article to make a generic redirect page, so going with just Phi Delta would be challenging (at least with my limited skill set). Rublamb (talk) 17:57, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

17:03, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Prior discussion

See Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Fraternities_and_Sororities/Archive_6#Proper_naming_discussion. for a large proposal that I did back in 2015 that included dab terms, not getting pushback, I have over the years generally moved articles toward. Under *that*, it should be Phi Delta (medical). This follows general Dab term rules in which a dab term should be capitalized *only* if a proper noun. (for which Delta Psi (University of Vermont) is a valid use).Naraht (talk) 17:52, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Good to know. Rublamb (talk) 17:57, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Crest

I do not know whether or not there was a standard Phi Delta crest or if it was versioned, by chapter. I searched the yearbook troves available online for all schools (except Columbia) where there were chapters, and finally found a hand-drawn crest for the Loyola yearbook. A search of a for-profit yearbook repository, like e-Yearbooks might offer some of the missing books and missing schools. Also, the Columbia trove is not online at the normal free sources. While the school yearbooks I reviewed showed numerous other professional fraternities, Phi Delta was noticeably absent. I do not know why this is, but nevertheless do not doubt that the Baird's listings for this fraternity were more or less accurate. Note that the crest which I did find in the 1916 Loyola yearbook was versioned to denote Alpha Pi chapter.

This graphic ought to be replaced if a better image emerges. Jax MN (talk) 19:17, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

I think this is actually a depiction of the badge, based on its description. Rublamb (talk) 08:02, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

You are probably correct. I've noticed that the smallest fraternities appear to have skipped the expense of commissioning a formal engraving. That may be the case here. Those groups which had them appear to have made every effort to use them in print, thus "building their brand", in modern parlance. Jax MN (talk) 15:47, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

This is the first time I have come across unique badges for each chapter. From the illustration this was not just a variation of hand-engraving. but applied Greek letters. These badges must be rare and very special for collectors. I cannot find an image of one that has sold. Rublamb (talk) 16:34, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

There are a couple of others, with versioned crests. Nu Sigma Nu was one. Also, there is/was a national sorority (fraternity?) in NY, formed after SUNY demanded that chapters give up their national affiliations. In that situation, the resultant group (a regional GLO?) was denoted by two letters, with each chapter contributing a third letter to the organization's name on each campus. Jax MN (talk) 16:41, 7 April 2023 (UTC)