Talk:Peter Warren (Royal Navy officer)/GA1
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Reviewer: Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk · contribs) 14:52, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
Having recently written up Warren's son-in-law Charles FitzRoy, this seems like a good one for me to take a look at! Comments to follow soon. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 14:52, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
Prelim
[edit]- Western Squadron is a duplicated link
- Removed
- File:Admiral Sir Peter Warren.jpg needs a us pd tag
- I'm not sure how to fix that, could you provide some assistance in that regard?
- No edit wars
- Good to hear
- Earwig reports copyvio unlikely
- See above
Some initial notes before I go any further:
- Warren was promoted to post-captain on 19 June 1727, not in 1728. The ODNB entry is noting when he took command of Grafton.
- His official date of promotion to lieutenant is 23 July 1723, and commander on 28 May 1727
- Warren does not spend long with Norris in the Baltic, moving with Sir George Walton to join Sir Charles Wager in the Mediterranean. It is from there that he joins Solebay.
- Warren does not command Solebay throughout the period suggested. He returns home in 1729 and commissions Leopard, preparing for the Mediterranean, but returns to Solebay in 1730. He pays Solebay off in August 1732, and is back in Leopard for service under Norris off Lisbon in 1734
- He joins Squirrel in December 1735, sailing for New York, later participating in the Battle of Cartagena de Indias
- Article doesn't mention his command of HMS Launceston in January 1742
- He is promoted rear admiral on 10 August 1745
- Unsure of the exact chronology for Superb, but by 1745 Warren was a commodore in her with a captain commanding the ship underneath him
- Vigilant becomes his flagship in July 1746
- ODNB doesn't actually mention the Devonshire appointment that you use it to cite. Furthermore, he is not "command"ing Devonshire, but has her as his flagship with Captain Temple West commanding the ship
- Warren's flagship from January 1748 is HMS Invincible, paying off on 12 August which is I assume when his command ends as well
- Rodger (on the page you reference) says that Warren takes command of the Western Squadron from Anson in around June 1747, handing over to Hawke in August because of illness. (Warren is mentioned on seven occasions in Rodger; it's a good source, I suggest you use it more!)
I won't go any further with these points, expecting you can correct and find others as appropriate. In writing the above points I've used:
- Syrett, David; DiNardo, R. L. (1994). The Commissioned Sea Officers of the Royal Navy 1660–1815. Aldershot: Scolar Press. ISBN 1-85928-122-2.
- Winfield, Rif (2007). British Warships in the Age of Sail 1714–1792. Barnsley, South Yorkshire: Seaforth Publishing. ISBN 978-1-78346-925-3.
- Charnock, John (2011) [1796]. Biographia Navalis. Vol. 4. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press. ISBN 978-0-51179-401-8.
I welcome any comments or queries you might have, but think currently the article relies a little too much on ODNB which, while a fine and reliable source, doesn't always go into the most detail! Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk)
- That's fair, but to be entirely honest with you, given my current position it's difficult to find the high quality sources you have access to. I rather not use the ODNB, but given the current scope of my WP efforts, it seemed acceptable for the time being; that being said, I know it's not perfect. Given all this, and the fact that I really can't access the books you have cited, it seems we have come to a little impasse. Perhaps you could suggest some solution? (I'd suggest that you give me the exact source (book + page numbers) for each points that you've raised, but that seems somewhat demanding from a GA reviewer!) Dabberoni15 (talk) 20:12, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
- Obviously happy to help with any sources that you don't have access to, but not sure I'd be an unbiased reviewer if I ended up supplying lots of the details and then reviewing it! I will note that Charnock is available on Cambridge Core, which I assume you have access to with your use of the Naval Chronicle. Alongside those I've noted (of which Charnock is the most useful, having a "full" biography of him), there's also Warren's History of Parliament entry which has some good information on both his naval and political lives. There are some other incorrect or missing details too, for example despite his being second in command at Finisterre there's hardly any detail about the battle, and there's inconsistency over what his DOB was. This is nowhere near quick fail standards, and I can give you the week to use what sources there are to fill in the semi-obvious holes, or you might prefer to leave this review here and do some more work over time, which as I say I'd be happy to contribute to with the sources not available to you. I realise I'm not making this easy for you, for which I apologise..! Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 22:15, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Pickersgill-Cunliffe. I think at this point that I still need to do more research and collect more high quality sources before attempting to write GA articles on Royal Navy officers, as I am still new to that particular topic (this is the first RN officer I tried to write a GA article on). I'm sorry for wasting your time, but I think at this point it would be best if you fail the article. If you want to take the article to GA status on your own, feel free to do so, and I'd be glad to assist to the best of my abilities. Thank you for your assistance during this review, it's been very helpful. Warm regards, Dabberoni15 (talk) 01:26, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
- No problem at all. If you need any help with sourcing similar articles in the future feel free to give me a ping. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 12:11, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Pickersgill-Cunliffe. I think at this point that I still need to do more research and collect more high quality sources before attempting to write GA articles on Royal Navy officers, as I am still new to that particular topic (this is the first RN officer I tried to write a GA article on). I'm sorry for wasting your time, but I think at this point it would be best if you fail the article. If you want to take the article to GA status on your own, feel free to do so, and I'd be glad to assist to the best of my abilities. Thank you for your assistance during this review, it's been very helpful. Warm regards, Dabberoni15 (talk) 01:26, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
- Obviously happy to help with any sources that you don't have access to, but not sure I'd be an unbiased reviewer if I ended up supplying lots of the details and then reviewing it! I will note that Charnock is available on Cambridge Core, which I assume you have access to with your use of the Naval Chronicle. Alongside those I've noted (of which Charnock is the most useful, having a "full" biography of him), there's also Warren's History of Parliament entry which has some good information on both his naval and political lives. There are some other incorrect or missing details too, for example despite his being second in command at Finisterre there's hardly any detail about the battle, and there's inconsistency over what his DOB was. This is nowhere near quick fail standards, and I can give you the week to use what sources there are to fill in the semi-obvious holes, or you might prefer to leave this review here and do some more work over time, which as I say I'd be happy to contribute to with the sources not available to you. I realise I'm not making this easy for you, for which I apologise..! Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 22:15, 24 June 2022 (UTC)