Talk:Peter Schiff/Archive 3
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Protected edit request on 5 January 2024
An edit has been introduced by an IP editor which adds the text "and awarded all costs potentially excedding $1 million in total [1]". There is a number of issues with this edit. Firstly the amount listed is in Australian dollars which conflicts with another amount already listed in the current text which is in US dollars. Secondly the Daily Telegraph is unsuitable for BLPs per WP:BLPSOURCES and should be removed. Thirdly, there had been consensus (despite difference on wording and sources) that material should be trimmed and not expanded and the addition of the extra material goes against this consensus. Please change the section below the "Investigation, Exoneration, and Lawsuit" sub-heading to (noting requested change in sub-heading also):
Investigation (as sub-heading)
On June 30, 2022, the Puerto Rico Office of the Commissioner of Financial Institutions (OCIF) announced they had suspended the operations of Puerto Rico-based Euro Pacific International Bank, which officials said was under suspicion of facilitating money laundering and offshore tax evasion.[2][3] The OCIF ordered Euro Pacific Bank to be shut down due to insufficient capitol. In a latter settlement the regulators acknowledged the bank did have sufficient cash at hand.[4] Schiff claimed the OCIF actions were due to the allegations by 60 Minutes Australia, The Age newspaper, and the subsequent investigations, saying, "There was no way those allegations were true, but once those stories broke, the bank's business imploded".[4] Operation Atlantis yielded no charges of money laundering or any other illegal activity.[4] In 2022 Schiff filed civil action against the Nine Network and The Age newspaper for defamation over the Australian 60 Minutes interview and subsequent Age articles.[5] On November 21 the civil action was settled.[5] As part of the settlement, Schiff was paid more than $360,000 by Nine Networks and The Age, and all versions of the broadcast were permanently removed by the respondents.[5] TarnishedPathtalk 01:01, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
- The edits suggested by @TarnishedPath do not conform to Wikipedia guidelines or the conversation on the talk page. Contrary to their assertion of "tabloid journalism", The Daily Telegraph is clearly a reliable source as outlined on the RfC Noticeboard (see Archive 392#RfC: The Telegraph). Any suggestion that it is not a reliable source brings in the question of competence. The "$1 million" edit to convert to USD is unnecessary. Rather, the amount should be prefixed with the currency (i.e., AUD $1 million). In fact, a previous edit fixed this and the $360,000 amount suggested here, which was actually "AUD $550,000." Finally, while there was consensus about trimming, the current text is still significantly less that what was there when the trimming was suggested. The starting point of the trimming should not be at @TarnishedPath's edits. Rather is should start at the request to trim. When the trim was requested, the section had 302 words. The current version has 196 words. By any definition, that is a trim. Thus all 3 edit requests should be rejected with prejudice. Mkstokes (talk) 18:59, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
- Perhaps, you ought to read the wikilinks you post. You've posted The British Daily Telegraph wikilink and an RfC for it, which is entirely different to the Sydney Daily Telegraph. There has been no RfC on the Sydney Daily Telegraph to date. Who knows how it would go. However I do not find it suitable as a source for living people as it is constantly the subject of litigation for its defamatory reporting and is constantly being forced into settlements.
- Now beyond that for the arguments I've posted and because the material was removed by revert WP:BLPUNDEL applies which means the automatic default is that the material should be removed until positive consensus is achieved for any reinsertion and not before. TarnishedPathtalk 00:16, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit protected}}template. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 23:27, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
- @MSGJ, the material was removed by revert previously. WP:BLPUNDEL applies here. Per policy for the material to remain consensus is required and as such there is none. TarnishedPathtalk 00:18, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
- I have reactivated the request so another admin can look into it. If I have time, I will review — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 07:10, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
- Much appreciated. Kind Regards, TarnishedPathtalk 09:26, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
- I have reactivated the request so another admin can look into it. If I have time, I will review — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 07:10, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
References
- ^ "Nine set to pay $1M to US finance expert after defamation settlement". The Daily Telegraph. Retrieved 2024-01-04.
- ^ Coto, Dánica (June 30, 2022). "Puerto Rico suspends operations of bank amid global probe". AP News.
- ^ Nick, McKenzie; Charlotte, Grieve; Tozer, Joel (2020-10-18). "Westpac, mint, hundreds of Australians ensnared in global tax evasion probe". The Age. Retrieved 2024-01-03.
- ^ a b c Robles, Frances (9 August 2022). "Peter Schiff Has a Deal With Puerto Rico to Liquidate His Euro Pacific Bank, He Says". The New York Times. Archived from the original on 29 December 2023. Retrieved 4 October 2022.
- ^ a b c Goldstein, Matthew (1 December 2023). "Australian Media Company to Pay Peter Schiff to End Defamation Suit". The New York Times. Archived from the original on 8 December 2023. Retrieved 8 December 2023.
There is discussion concerning this article at WP:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#Mkstokes TarnishedPathtalk 14:28, 16 January 2024 (UTC)