Talk:Peter Gadiot

Nationality in lead

MOS:CONTEXTBIO wants nationality where notable activities occurred. References in article support UK birth, Dutch citizenship, and Mexican nationality. He himself only mentions British and Dutch as being important to him as he has passports from UK and Netherlands, but not Mexico. All his notable activities are in UK so his other citizenship and nationality don't belong in the lead. Geraldo Perez (talk) 23:44, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

I agree. This other user keeps making changes to claim him as Mexican actor or citizen, while he is only Mexican national by birth right. I believe this qualifies as spam. How do you deal with spam? My goal in making changes is accuracy. Dgadj (talk) 19:49, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

It doesn't matter what his citizenship or nationality is for lead content, what matters for the lead is where he did his notable activities which is in the UK as a Brit. His ancestry and background is appropriately mentioned in the early life section, but is otherwise irrelevant other than as background information of him as a person. I noticed that the ultramarathon reference used for his name also mentioned he choose Netherlands to compete for, not Mexico. His links to Mexico appear to be legal only with no impact on his life, his Mexican mother registered him as a foreign birth, that seems to be the extent of it. Calling him primarily Mexican is misrepresenting what he thinks of himself. As for disruptive edits, see if communication can be started and issues discussed and consensus can be reached. Geraldo Perez (talk) 20:22, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. I did communicate with this other contributor and they verified the info, which means that issue with disruptive edits is resolved.

It is not my desire to put nationality / citizenship in the box, but when ppl add Mexican there, I either fix it or delete it.

The document where he chose to compete is Dutch: my guess is that it was for EU citizens and even before Brexit, the Uk was not part of everything. I would assume that to be eligible he had no choice but to compete as Dutch. Very informative discussions on nationality/ citizenship, etc as well as rules and expectations from Wiki contributors. Thanks for asssiting. Dgadj (talk) 12:43, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Peter Gadiot Information

Just wanted to say that,Peter himself said he is not mexican, he has no official mexican documents to confim that he was born there or lived there. The NAVA surname, he said that it is factually incorrect. He is British-Dutch(Dutch legally). He also said that he would like this info to be changed and the image also, like for exmaple the one that can be seen in Wikipedia spain. He would be very thankful for this. THANK YOU. Adventurous-spirit-woman81 (talk) 10:29, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

We have no way to ascertain that he's asked for or said any of these things based on a Wikipedia user's assertion that he did. And we do cite a source stating that he has become a Mexican citizen. For purposes of verifiability, can you point to any reliable sources for your claims, including one contesting the claim in the History Channel article? Also, we aren't going to change a photo based on the subject's preferences. Largoplazo (talk) 10:51, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

I have a proof of what he said, i have a screenshot image. 79.144.160.92 (talk) 10:54, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Here's a person who asked to Peter this:Wikipedia says ur name is Alan, true?

Here's Peter's anwser on Instagram, this is what he said clearly:

SEE? IT'S NOT MADE UP.

I HAVE THE SCREENSHOT FOR THIS. 79.144.160.92 (talk) 11:18, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Kind of true. My full name is Alan-Peter Gadiot. Hyphenated first name, no middle name. But I have just been called Peter since I was a young boy. Only

people who call me Alan-Peter are some Dutch family as I have a cousin in Holland also called Peter. The NAVA part on wiki is factually incorrect. That

has never been part of my name.

Also notice it says I am Mexican. That is not correct. I'm British (and Dutch legally) and while I do have Mexican family on my mums side I have no legal connection, I wasn't born there, have never lived there, I don't speak Spanish fluently (pretty good),

have no official Mexican documents. I love visiting but when I do it is very much as a foreigner. Can someone who knows how #Wikipedia works make these changes please? It's misleading as it is. Also that photo is quite old, maybe a newer one?

(and hopefully a more flattering one). Adventurous-spirit-woman81 (talk) 11:23, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Name must be sourced in article - it isn't. Provide an exact link to the instagram posting so others can verify it directly. Image on eswiki is likely a copyvio so can't be used. Also an image with face obscured with dark sunglasses is not a better image than one where we can see his full face. Curious why he disclaims his own registration information for the ultramarathon. We can use what a subject says per WP:SELFSOURCE but this conflict between two reliable sources where he stated two different things is a bit of an issue. Legally he has Mexican nationality but it is his right to ignore that and not take advantage of it. Geraldo Perez (talk) 16:39, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Sorry if the photo isn't appropriate, i thought i could make Peter himself happy to put something nicer. I hope you all will give him the request that he asks for.

Here I repeat the link to his story about it.

https://www.instagram.com/stories/petergadiot/3277541738143232914?utm_source=ig_story_item_share&igsh=ODBoaXk3dGM5M3o0

Thank you for everything.

Just wanted to help. Adventurous-spirit-woman81 (talk) 17:33, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

What you wrote remains, from the perspective of everyone else here, unverifiable words written by one unknown Wikipedia user (you). I'm not finding those words anywhere online. I'm not by any means saying I don't believe you, just that there's no apparent source from which we can verify it.

I did find Gadiot's official Instagram account, at https://www.instagram.com/petergadiot/, linked from "External links" in the article, which led me to a "story" at https://www.instagram.com/stories/highlights/17852227543397579/ in which the 13th frame reads (extra punctuation added by me for clarity) "My Blood is: Dutch, Mexican/Spanish, French. I was Born and raised in Sussex, U.K. I am a citizen/passport holder of United Kingdom and Netherlands". On the other hand, the shot was posted 268 weeks, or just over 5 years, ago. So he could have obtained Mexican citizenship since then. But, still, I guess, it casts sufficient doubt that we're better off not attributing Mexican citizenship to him in the article despite what the History Channel source says. Largoplazo (talk) 17:13, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Yes, that's true.

You can check yesterday's Q&A where someone asked him that, it's in his stories right now.

https://www.instagram.com/stories/petergadiot/3277541738143232914?utm_source=ig_story_item_share&igsh=ODBoaXk3dGM5M3o0

Have a look, what himself wrote.

But, it's ok, I totally understand, I just wanted to help in these changes that he claims for it.

Thank you anyways. Adventurous-spirit-woman81 (talk) 17:29, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Finally, a link. https://www.instagram.com/stories/petergadiot/3277541738143232914. That makes a big difference. Largoplazo (talk) 17:31, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, for not adding it before, my apologies. Adventurous-spirit-woman81 (talk) 17:34, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

He doesn’t speak spanish

He posted on his instagram that he actually doesn’t speak spanish very well so it’s misleading to state he speaks both English and spanish. He’s not bilingual, he only speaks english. 189.217.104.222 (talk) 08:17, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

He says he doesn't speak it fluently, with "(pretty good)" afterwards. So he speaks it, just not fluently. Largoplazo (talk) 11:53, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

If you don’t speak fluently a language that means you don’t really speak it. So it should be added “he doesn’t speak spanish fluently” to make the clarification. 2806:2A0:110C:82C4:4D79:5CCE:A801:B82F (talk) 00:15, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

We go with what he said about his own language ability. Geraldo Perez (talk) 01:16, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Exactly, let’s add what he said humself: “he doesn’t speak it fluently” (by “pretty good” he meant he doesn’t speak it very well) Otherwise, it’s not an accurate information. 2806:2A0:110C:82C4:4D79:5CCE:A801:B82F (talk) 02:45, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

I disagree with your definition of what it means to speak a language. Largoplazo (talk) 03:07, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

It’s not “my definition”, if you can’t speak a language fluently it only means you’re not comfortable with the language because you don’t speak it perfectly, as simple as that. He even said so himself. He may have certain knowledge of the language, but stating he speaks it as well as he speaks english is completely incorrect and misleading. That’s probably the reason why you can’t find a single interview with him speaking spanish, he always speaks and writes in english. But to each their own I guess. 2806:2A0:110C:82C4:C840:2F46:3078:AE0D (talk) 07:51, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

... if you can’t speak a language fluently it only means you’re not comfortable with the language because you don’t speak it perfectly, as simple as that: Alas, that's your definition. Apparently I also disagree with your definition of "definition". And, yes, I got your point. No need to state it a fourth time. Repetition won't create agreement. Largoplazo (talk) 13:34, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Photo switching

To editor Dgadj: Yesterday, you replaced one image with another, Peter Gadiot 2023 1.jpg, explaining that the replacement was free of copyright. Then, today, you replaced whatever photo was there at the moment (because others have been changing it too) with a different file, Peter_Gadiot_at_2023_Elite_Comic_Con_Waco,_TX.jpg, with the edit summary "This is a recent copyright free image. Pls do not remove." But then you reverted it to what it was before you wrote that, Peter Gadiot at Queen of the South at ATX.jpg. Meanwhile, Geraldo Perez has been changing it multiple times as well, and newcomer User:YKWho2021 just changed it to Peter Gadiol.jpg.

Can you all please stop WP:edit warring and discuss here what you're up to and why? A consensus should be reached before the photo is changed one more time (unless the current one is a copyright problem, in which case one replacement with a copyright-safe file will do).

In case anyone plans to raise this consideration, it's irrelevant which photo Peter Gadiot would like to see here. It's fine for him to ask for it, but remember that Wikipedia articles aren't publicity vehicles for their subjects. Wikipedia guidelines and article quality are the top considerations. Largoplazo (talk) 17:02, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

All the replacements have been copyvios on Commons or strongly suspected as such. I have just been restoring the original free-use image, which is a good image for showing his appearance by the way, and removing the copyvio ones. Note also that the Commons delinker bot has removed one as well when it was deleted on Commons. See C:COM:Licensing for what Commons needs and any image used for the bio article of a living person must be hosted on Commons. If someone does actually come up with a free-use image that is not just something found with an image search with his name, it should be discussed first before replacing the current one. It need to be an improvement to the current one, not just an attempt to appeal to the vanity of the subject. Geraldo Perez (talk) 17:08, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the message. It was true that the photo I used yesterday was owned by Netflix, but the photos I used today are personal photos of his posted last year as SS on his IG. I believe a more recent photo meets the 'educational' mandate of the site, and do not understand the claim that personal photos from his SS infringe copyright bc they don't. Whose copyright is infringed if the pic is taken by his friends and he has shared it with his fans on IG?

However, I have asked him to provide a recent personal picture. When I asked him to archive his Q&A current request and nationality info on his IG Q&A, he did.

Hopefully, if the subject himself provides a more recent picture, that is definitely copyright free, this will meet the stringent and (apologies) somewhat illogical criteria for use of pictures. Dgadj (talk) 18:04, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Understand that if the subject didn't take the photo of himself, by himself with his own camera, that photo belongs to the photographer who took it, not Gadiot. Even if the photographer gave Gadiot permission to host the photo on his own social media sites that permission does not permit Gadiot, who doesn't own the copyright, to given permission for the photo to be uploaded and used on Wiki Commons. The person who took the photograph needs to be identified and must given explicit permission via a Creative Commons license for that photo to be put up on Commons. Gadiot either needs to take the photo himself or have the actual photographer give the required license in a way that can be verified. Also we make the decision on what to put in the article with consensus on this page for a photo to best represent his appearance. Gadiot can make suggestions, we don't have to follow what he wants. Geraldo Perez (talk) 18:24, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

You misunderstand copyright. The fact that one has posted a photo on a publicly visible site with the permission of the copyright holder does not diminish that copyright holder's sole authority to control its use everywhere else by everyone else. The copyright holder may allow such general use, but such consent has to be explicitly given. Largoplazo (talk) 18:33, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

I have forwarded your comments to the subject. If he wants to pursue the change of photo by a photo taken by him, he will pursue it. Maybe you can explain the verifiable way to provide a picture with a license if he used a tripod and took one himself.

All of this red tape bc the subject asked for a more recent photo!

But thanks for the clarification. Dgadj (talk) 18:40, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Remember we want a good photo, not necessarily a recent one, one better than the one we currently have which is quite good. He might wish to upload a new image but we still will judge whether or not it is an improvement.

C:COM:Licensing gives most of the details of what needs to be done. Usually if a person uploads a photo they took using their own Commons account that is full sized with all the camera data related to the photo included as part of the photo's embedded EXIF data and it doesn't look like a professional photographer took it, a license by the uploaded will not be challenged. Lots of people do this and it is strongly encouraged by Commons. Licensing article gives all the details.

If you upload someone else's photo, you need to specify where it came from and that location must have a license statement from the copyright holder for the photo that permits free-use. Geraldo Perez (talk) 22:37, 12 January 2024 (UTC)