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mammoth

Agreed that "mammoth" is not the most typical encyclop. word, but was a direct quote from Schwarz who, no doubt, did not choose the word lightly. Could change to a similar descriptor, since I have omitted the quote marks (i.e. could paraphrase with a similar word). Cheers, --Dylanfly 12:29, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You did not list it as a quote, nor is the quote, or author, notable enough to be quoted here in full. We are not not bound to use an author's non-encyclopedia language in our encyclopedia.--Merbabu 16:54, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hey mon, why so dour? It's a nice addition, and a direct quote from one of your faves. It's also a nice little illustration of this little disagreement we've been having. Look--I can respect that "mammoth" is a pretty big descriptor, but it's not exactly biased is it? OK, maybe there's a better adjective. Let's agree on that. But let's also respect Schwarz' conceptual framework here: the Pertamina fiasco was, I assume, the biggest bailout in this history of Indonesia, and probably one of the biggest in the the history of the world. It had colossal and lasting implications for the economy. It's an astronomical sum. For me, that's part of the basic overview of Pertamina: omitting it is a disservice to the reader. So maybe you're correct--maybe 'mammoth' isn't the best choice. BUT, the bail-out is so significant, it ought to have a long discussion, if not its own WP article. Can we agree on that point? Even if the word choice bothers you, I think you can see that its inclusion was rather innocent on my part. I hope you can appreciate that I have made a nice contribution to WP:Pertamina. --Dylanfly 17:13, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

largest producer and exporter of LNG

I just quickly did a research on google about who is the largest producer and exporter of LNG in the world, and I think it does neither Pertamina nor Indonesia, but Qatar does. Because as an Indonesian, I also doubt the fact that Pertamina is the largest in that thing. Chemistryindo (talk) 06:01, 2 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

number of refineries

It is written that Pertamina owns six refineries, and because of early 2013 it must be a quite new info. In the article List of oil refineries you find that:

Indonesia

Musi Refinery (Pertamina), 135,200 bbl/d (21,500 m3/d)
Balongan Refinery (Pertamina), 125,000 bbl/d (19,900 m3/d)
Dumai Refinery (Pertamina), 120,000 bbl/d (19,000 m3/d)
Cilacap Refinery (Pertamina), 348,000 bbl/d (55,300 m3/d)
Balikpapan Refinery (Pertamina), 260,000 bbl/d (41,000 m3/d)
Sungai Pakning Refinery (Pertamina), 50,000 bbl/d (7,900 m3/d)
Pangkalan Brandan Refinery (Pertamina), 5,000 bbl/d (790 m3/d)
Cepu Refinery (Pertamina), 3,800 bbl/d (600 m3/d)
Kasim Refinery (Pertamina), 10,000 bbl/d (1,600 m3/d)
Tuban Refinery (PT TPPI), 100,000 bbl/d (16,000 m3/d)

10 Refineries in Indonesia, 9 of them from Pertamina. Maybe the person or someone else who did the 6 refineries-edit could check the article and remove closed refineries in Indonesia. I think if they closed some, than for example the Cepu with 3,800 bbl/day or the Pangkalan with 5,000bbl/day... would be 7. The Kasim Refinery with 10,000bbl is not really large too. It doesn't make sence to me why they are closing refineries there but okay, the country is sooo large and so many islands, so I thought that the 2 very small and the 10,000 refinery are for places with a low population density like the area next to Papua New Guinea... Greetings Kilon22 (talk) 19:57, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

OK. Thank you. I will make this clearer. The most up-to-date data seems to be on the Pertamina webpage (in bahasa Indonesia) here: http://www.pertamina.com/Refinery.aspx Pertamina owns six refineries, and operates two others through an affiliated company. Pmccawley (talk) 19:45, 22 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I should add a little detail to my proceeding comment. On checking closely, I see that the "two others" are not oil refineries but are LNG plants. There also seem to be several other small refineries in Indonesia. My guess is that these other plants are "operated" by Pertamina but technically not owned by Pertamina and, rather, by a related company. The distinction might seem rather legalistic but I presume it reflects the way the plants are listed in Pertamina's reports. Plants which are technically not Pertamina's get listed in other reports. I will try to check. Pmccawley (talk) 20:49, 22 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I think I have now sorted all of this out. I hope it is clear on the Pertamina page. The Tuban plant shown in the list above does not yet exist. It is still in the planning stage. I will remove it from the list shown above because, given the current uncertainties, it should not be listed until it is built. Pmccawley (talk) 21:20, 22 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Largest LNG Producer

Pertamina is not the largest producer and exporter of LNG.

That distinction belongs to Qatargas with Algerian Sonaytrach a distant second. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.23.215.68 (talk) 17:13, 1 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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