Talk:Perry County, Tennessee/Archive 1

Overhaul

Did a major overhaul of the page yesterday and today, adding lots of content and sourcing to get it hopefully to a higher class, and reorgnaizing it in line with the WikiProject US Counties template. Please update as needed! Still want to add a bit more about the pre-European settlement history of the county, a mention of the not insignificant fossil finds in the area, and expand on the county history of the mid 20th century. nf utvol (talk) 01:13, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's safe to bump this to B at this point. Will continue working towards GA standards.nf utvol (talk) 16:32, 23 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with a "B" rating. The largest county article I know of is at 90 kB; the largest non-urbanized county I know of is at 54kB. Perry County is currently at 18 kB "readable prose size", which means there is lots of room to add more things. The rules are explained at Wikipedia:Article_size#A_rule_of_thumb.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 20:37, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I think we're about where we need to be for a GA review. I'm starting to run out of places to find good information...still wish I had more history from 1930-1990, but there just is not a lot out there on such a rural county.nf utvol (talk) 00:21, 7 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Orphaned references in Perry County, Tennessee

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Perry County, Tennessee's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "census":

From United States Census Bureau: "Census Bureau Regions and Divisions with State FIPS Codes" (PDF). US Census Bureau. Retrieved February 3, 2016.
From Nashville, Tennessee: "Tabulation of the China Urban Construction Statistical Yearbook 2017". China Statistics Press.
From Lawrence County, Tennessee: 2020 Population and Housing State Data | Tennessee
From West Tennessee: "U.S. Census website". United States Census Bureau. 2010. Retrieved 2019-12-29.
From North Carolina: "Historical Census Browser:Census Data for Year 1860". University of Virginia Library. 2004. Archived from the original on October 11, 2014. Retrieved June 26, 2014.
From List of regions of the United States: "Census Bureau Regions and Divisions with State FIPS Codes" (PDF). US Census Bureau. Archived from the original (PDF) on September 21, 2013. Retrieved June 20, 2010.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 14:17, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Perry County, Tennessee/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Marshelec (talk · contribs) 18:19, 8 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I am commencing a review of this article, and will aim to complete this over the next 7-10 days. --Marshelec (talk) 18:19, 8 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Coverage

I will begin with physical geography.

Rivers

The two main rivers are major features of the county, and I think they warrant some more focussed coverage. Although it will mean some rework of the section on Topography, I recommend a new section heading for Rivers under Perry_County,_Tennessee#Geography_and_geology, with subsection each for the Tennessee and Buffalo Rivers, presented in Wikipedia:Summary style, and using the Template:Main to link to the separate articles for each river.

Also, a clarification is needed. The existing text under Perry_County,_Tennessee#Topography_and_hydrography says that Duck River is outside of the County. However, when I search for Perry County, TN on Google maps, it shows that one bend of the Duck River is within the north east corner of the county. Is that correct ? If so the text needs a minor alteration.

Tennessee River

For the Tennessee River, I suggest coverage specifically relevant to Perry County could include:

that the course of the river as it flows south to north forms the western boundary of the county, and is a navigable waterway for the entire length, and provide the approximate length that is within Perry County
that the river level was raised with the commissioning of the Kentucky Dam in 1944, forming Kentucky Lake, and that the influence of the dam extends the full length of the river within Perry County (it would be interesting to know if there were any significant consequences of the inundation caused by the creation of Kentucky Lake, for the section of the river within Perry County, but perhaps this section is too far upstream for the dam to have flooded significant original features).
some mention of the numerous river landings that are within Perry County (with a brief mention of the historical or current significance of those landings, if there are suitable sources). This could include some expansion of content about Mousetail Landing State Park as a significant attraction and revenue earner for the county. I have just found a source that claims that 250,000 people visit Mousetail Landing State Park annually. (That's huge when compared with the county population !). [1]

perhaps add a note that some river-side camping grounds, (particularly Crooked Creek) may be inundated at mild or moderate flood levels [2] The existing sentence about Lady's Bluff in the first paragraph under Geography could be relocated into the sub-section about the Tennessee River, along with mention of Lady's Bluff Small Wild Area, and the fact (from the cited source) that two barges cannot pass side-by-side at this point because the waterway is too narrow

This would mean that the existing section titled Protected areas could be removed (this section looks a bit "stubby" on the page at present, and may not do justice to the two areas).

Buffalo River

For the Buffalo River, coverage relevant to Perry County could include:

flows south to north through the county, close to the towns of Linden and Lobelville
the use of the river for canoeing and free-float tubing, as described here: Buffalo_River_(Tennessee)#Economy

Wooded area

I was surprised to read that 80% of the county is wooded. This could be of interest to readers, and is of sufficient significance that it should probably be mentioned in the lead. Are there any sources that describe the make-up of this wooded area (ie is there much "ancient forest", how much is commercial plantations, how much is woodland that has been created by settlers over the centuries). ? How much of this is in state goverment ownership, or protected in some way ?

Land use and ownership statistics

Are there any sources that describe land use in the county ? I note a statement under Economy, that about 10% of the land area is rated as prime farmland. Are there sources that describe the rest in some way ?. What about ownership of land ? Is any summary data available - eg how much is in state government ownership as parks and reserves etc

Online sources are hard to find. I came across this book from 1910.[3] It states that virtually all forested land in Tennessee was in private ownership. There is interesting content, but it is probably too old to be useful now, and doesn't have much that is specific to Perry County unfortunately.

Citations of USDA - Soil Survey of Perry County

There are multiple citations of this source. At present the reference states pages 11-12, and this is correct for the first use of this source. However, for some of the other citations of this source, the relevant content is on other pages. For example, the source of content for the acreages of forested and non-forested wetland (cited from the last paragraph under Topography and hydrography) come from page 112. For sources with a large number of pages like this, I use a citation without page numbers, then after the cite, I add the template {{rp||page=112|}} for example, to each instance, so that the reader can find the relevant page. I recommend all instances of the cite for the USDA source are amended accordingly.

I will review coverage of other topics, but these points about rivers and the wooded area seemed to stand out on first reading.

--Marshelec (talk) 01:45, 9 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Economy

I listened to this brief video fronted by the Mayor: [4] He mentioned that an automotive parts manufacturer NYX Inc had established a new manufacturing plant in the county (in Linden). Based on news sources I found, it was expected to create 400 new jobs over 5 years. This is very significant for this small community. I have found sources here: [5] and here [6] This is not mentioned in the county article at present (or in the article Linden, Tennessee, but is notable based on the multiple news items I found, and is worth including. It appears that the facility is still in operation.

It would be a useful addition to briefly summarise the challenges and opportunities for economic development identified on page 7 of the document that is already cited: "Mapping the Agricultural Assets of Perry County, Tennessee".

Flora and fauna

Fish and fishing are not mentioned in the article at present, but fishing is presumably one of the attractions for people to visit rivers and camp nearby. I found these reference: [7] and [8].

Great feedback! I'll get to work on addressing these, looking forward to seeing what else you come up with.nf utvol (talk) 13:50, 9 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Images

The historical maps and images in the article at present are useful, but ideally, there would be more current images that represent the County, and in particular, show something of the rural landscape and natural scenery. I note that there are few suitable images in Wikimieda Commons at present. I searched on Flickr, and found an album of beautiful photos taken in Mousetail Landing State Park in June 2011. See: [9] . I have had moderate success in the past with contacting the creators of images via Flickr mail, and asking them to change permissions in Flickr for a few to "Attribution-ShareAlike" (CC-BY-4.0) or similar, so that they can be imported to Wikimedia Commons and used in articles. I have a Flickr account, and I could approach the owner of the these photos myself, but it is possibly best that you do this - a request from the other side of the world might seem odd. However, I am still willing to try if you wish. Just let me know.--Marshelec (talk) 21:24, 9 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Through the co-operation of a Flickr user, I have obtained access to several images of the Cedar Grove Iron Furnace. I have added these to a new category in Wikimedia Commons: C:Category:Cedar Grove Iron Furnace. I have added one of the images to the infobox of Cedar Grove Iron Furnace and updated the Wikidata item D:Q111915332. It could be useful to add one of the images to the Perry County article - I leave this to your discretion. -Marshelec (talk) 02:21, 11 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The lead

Based on WP:LEAD and WP:BETTER/GRAF1 the article needs a lead of 3 to 4 paragraphs, summarising the most important points in the article. Judgement calls are required about what is sufficiently important to be in the lead. My suggestions are:

move the content about the history of the county to a new paragraph, and expand a little.
add a new paragraph with a summary of the geography - including a mention of:
- the Tennessee and Buffalo Rivers, and their watersheds and wetland areas
- the 80% woodland cover
- the wildlife
expand content about the economy, levels of unemployment, infrastruture constraints etc
expand content about tourism and visitor attractions

--Marshelec (talk) 22:33, 9 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Prose

Under Prehistory and early settlement, the subject of first sentence doesn't flow to the subject of the 2nd and third sentences. It could probably be deleted, because it doesn't add much.
In the first paragraph under Prehistory, the term "bottomlands" is used. It is used in four places in the article. This appears to be a US term, and will be unfamiliar to readers from other places. I acknowledge WP:ENGVAR, but I also note MOS:COMMONALITY. Using vocabulary common to all varieties of English is preferable. I suggest a compromise where the first usage is: "botttomlands (low-lying alluvial land)". The remaining three instances should be "bottomland" (as one word) for consistency.
In the first sentence of the second paragraph, to achieve flow to the use of the term "treaty" in the second sentence, I suggest a change to: "On January 7, 1806, with the signing of the Treaty of Washington, the Cherokee ...."
In the section: Breckenridge's raid on Linden, the sentence beginning: "The small force of 55 mounted cavalry ..." needs rewording, for greater clarity
In the section: Geography and geology, in the second sentence, I suggest a change to: "The topography of Perry County is characterised by high ridges...". Later in that same sentence I suggest: "and is typical of..."
In the section Tennessee River, in the second sentence, I think the river actually flows south to north ?
In the section Economy, the phrase: "3,200 acres were planted to corn, 2,600 were planted to soybeans, " would be better as: "3,200 acres were planted in corn, 2,600 were planted in soybeans, ", unless the original is standard North American English.
In the second parapgraph, the expression "pre-pandemic" will date and be unclear. It needs to be either reworded or perhaps given a wiki-link instead
In the section Poverty and unemployment, in the second paragraph, change "massive amount" to "high"
In the section Cities and towns, the first sentence seems unnecessary and could be deleted.
Under Telecommunications and electric power, the second sentence needs a template:As of or similar, because it will rapidly get out of date
Under Media and entertainment, the first sentence could be deleted, and the word "Today", replaced with template:As of

--Marshelec (talk) 22:50, 10 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Edits

Good day! Thank you so much for your quality feedback and suggestions. I made most of them (a couple of exceptions, couldn't find detailed sources for land use and ownership statistics... Will continue looking and if I ever stumble in to it I'll make the addition, but I don't want to hold it up for that. Let me know if you have any further suggestions! Thanks again! nf utvol (talk) 18:42, 12 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Finishing the review

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
It is reasonably well written. a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): It is factually accurate and verifiable. a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism): It is broad in its coverage. a (major aspects): b (focused): It follows the neutral point of view policy. Fair representation without bias: It is stable. No edit wars, etc.: It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate. a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall: Pass/Fail:
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Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Bruxton (talk) 23:27, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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... that Perry County is the least densely populated county in Tennessee? Source: https://web.archive.org/web/20220729150032/https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/perrycountytennessee , https://web.archive.org/web/20220315155845/http://www.usa.com/rank/tennessee-state--population-density--county-rank.htm
- ALT1: ... that Perry County suffered the worst unemployment rate in Tennessee and the second worst in the United States during the Great Recession? Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/28/us/28county.html
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Roberts's triangle theorem

Improved to Good Article status by Nfutvol (talk). Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk) at 02:26, 15 December 2022 (UTC).[reply]

Article has achieved Good Article status. No issues of copyvio or plagiarism. All sources appear reliable. Hooks are interesting and sourced. I prefer ALT1, but both are fine. QPQ is done. Looks all ready to go. Thriley (talk) 07:41, 16 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Arithmetic

The lede says "As of the 2020 census, the population was 8,366, with an average population density of 18.6 persons per square mile". The infobox says:

"Area
• Total
423 sq mi (1,100 km2)
• Land
415 sq mi (1,070 km2)"

8,366 population/423 sq mi = 19.8 people per square mile. 8,366/415 (land only) is 20.2. The 18.6 figure is from reference 3, which is based on a population of 7,851 (7,851/423=18.6). According to the table at Perry County, Tennessee#Demographics, 7,851 is between the census figure for 2000 and 2010. So should we use population 8,366, 7,851, or both? Art LaPella (talk) 08:05, 25 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed, thanks! nf utvol (talk) 13:30, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]