Talk:Perry Como/Archive 1

Archive 1

Comment

We hope (talk) 14:58, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Untitled

What needs to be fixed here to provide a NPOV? Without some indication, it's hard to fix it! - BRG 19:44, Jan 27, 2005 (UTC)

It was very bad before. I did a big overhaul in November and removed the NPOV tag, but someone reinsterted it. I think the article could use some general cleanup, small details more than anything else. After the big fixes I couldn't be bothered with the small stuff. If you think the article is good enough as is feel free to remove both tags. It's certainly a hell of alot better than it was. -R. fiend 21:06, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)

The "biggest hits" section is terribly bloated now. Can it be paired down to a handful of his bigest hits? Like the ones that he is synonymous with? I don't think any other artist has a discogarphy of this caliber attached to his article. -R. fiend 04:28, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)

The article is all rather ‘gee-whiz, what a great guy’ in tone, and seems to be written by the kind of person who believes ‘alot’ is a word. PS You mean ‘pared down’. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.59.215.236 (talk) 21:25, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

A Mistake

On the section "Early Years" the following words are written: "They remained married until her death in August 1998 at age 84. Como was reportedly devastated by her passing." These pieces of information aren't really about his early years.

Corrected. Thanks, Ronbo76 05:48, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

What about Perry Como's well publicized marriage to Claudine Longet???? I don't see any mention of her in the Wiki article about Perry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.253.17.198 (talk) 04:11, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Perry was never married to Longet. That was Andy Williams. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.161.95.29 (talk) 06:35, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Unfair and Unfortunate

To me it is unfair and unfortunate that an item I had posted to the Perry Como site, from Mad Magazine ("He'll look like Perry Como, but he'll be much nicer") was omitted while the ghastly entry from the Twilight Zone was retained--the horror episode with Billy Mumy and the "cornfield," especially given that episode's imperceptible appeal. Dougie monty (talk) 00:41, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Boo Hoo - the whole trivia section is a waste of space and should be deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.127.1.37 (talk) 17:18, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

I don't agree that it's a waste of space, as there is no space issue on wikipedia. However, a lot of it is unsourced, which means it will eventually be targeted for deletion. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 17:41, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Citations & References

See Wikipedia:Footnotes for an explanation of how to generate footnotes using the <ref(erences/)> tags Nhl4hamilton (talk) 10:44, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Discography, etc.

What about moving the discography (maybe film and TV also) to it's own page? Common to do here on Wikipedia. Thoughts?Airproofing (talk) 03:24, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Having worked with this page for a while, I agree this should be done--moving discography, etc. to a separate page for it.

We hope (talk) 17:12, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Think the media (records, television shows, and film information) needs to be on a separate page. Have only split one previous article that didn't include media and don't want to mess this up.

We hope (talk) 18:50, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Have taken care of the refs so the new page or pages will have complete ones after the split.

We hope (talk) 17:31, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Separate refs taken out by bot-they'll need to be redone when article is split. Will redo them when the split has been done.

We hope (talk) 13:34, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Splitting-giving it a shot

Think the discography, filmography and television programs should be split into a separate article from this. Am going to give this a try.

We hope (talk) 14:41, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

More splitting needed

The page is now 87 KB in size. The former Recordings subheading from the Professional Singer section has been moved to Perry Como discography/filmography/television, which originally was split from this page.

We hope (talk)

Kokomo.ca site down

Kokomo.ca has many ref links on this page. I was working with it yesterday and there were no issues. If the site is not up and running within a reasonable period of time, I will re-source the Kokomo.ca links through Internet Archive.

We hope (talk) 16:20, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Kokomo.ca back up

And no need to spent hours with Internet Archive. :-)

We hope (talk) 19:21, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

This is a nice article that has a few to many wikilinks making it slightly hard to read. Otherwise I'd just pass it immediately. Mr. R00t ^Talk 19:06, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Perry Como/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Mr. R00t ^Talk 18:29, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Overview

Altogether the page looks like it needs a serious copyedit and some other tweaks. The length looks fairly good and there are definitely enough sources. The Recordings, television, radio, films section would do better as a See Other or See Also section. I'm going to put a checklist of GA criteria that has not been filled. Please use {{tick}} or {{done}} when you have made the necessary update. Mr. R00t ^Talk 18:40, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

GA Criteria

1. Is it reasonably well written?

   A. Prose quality:

   B. MoS compliance:  Done Seems they've fixed it. That means that the article is now good to go! Mr. R00t ^Talk 20:40, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?

   A. References to sources:

   B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:

   C. No original research: I do not see any. All items appear to be well sourced.

3. Is it broad in its coverage?

   A. Major aspects:

   B. Focused:

4. Is it neutral?

   Fair representation without bias:

5. Is it stable?

   No edit wars, etc:

6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?

   A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales: Some images have questionable copyright tags  Done We hope (talk) 13:29, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

   B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:

7. Overall:

   Pass or Fail:

What needs to be done

• Find out the copyright information for all images found on page
• Get page to comply with Manual of Style

This page looks pretty good and can be brought up to speed pretty quickly. Mr. R00t ^Talk 18:51, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

• There is a huge problem with licenses for the two images that in the "Hometown honors" section.--GrapedApe (talk) 16:47, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
  • Images have been removed. Mr. R00t ^Talk 17:55, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Time Magazine Links

Are extremely slow for some reason. Checked those belonging to this article in IE and Chrome and it literally can take a few minutes for the story text to appear on the page.

We hope (talk) 19:13, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Hometown honors section images

At present, the hope is to locate an image or images of the statue that meets WP criteria and replace the ones formerly in this section. Since everything I've seen thus far re: images, would have some type of copyright issues, it may take some time.

We hope (talk) 18:15, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Statue photo wanted

{{Image requested|of=Perry Como statue in Canonsburg, PA. |in=Pennsylvania }}

We hope (talk) 12:40, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

You're liable to run into "no freedom of panorama" issues. Statues are considered to be copyrighted objects. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 17:42, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Just right, Baseball Bugs, and I have made the request a nowiki entry, to avoid it being in the request for photos category for Pennsylvania. --DThomsen8 (talk) 03:00, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Catholic?

My opinion was asked on my talk p. about whether he is to be considered a Roman Catholic.

As a principle, I use the analogy to the frequently discussed question of who is to be listed as a Jew, where I have consistently said we should consider a Jew anyone who at any point in their life can be documented to meet any of the proposed criteria, because we have no basis for judging among them, I'd tentatively say the same about being a Catholic, though I doubt there is the same bitterly contested dispute. Even if he renounced the faith or was excommunicated, that only shows that he was at one time a Catholic and that is enough, Examples of what would be enough would be if a person is popularly regarded as a Catholic as shown by RSs, or was baptized or confirmed a Catholic, or took Catholic communion, or is buried in a Catholic funeral, he can be considered a Catholic. What is not enough is marrying in a Catholic ceremony--non-Catholics can get permission to do that. Having children who are baptized Catholic is similarly not enough, nor is it enough if one's family attends Catholic services. Certainly attending a Catholic service is not enough: I've done that myself. And it is clear that according to WP:Papal orders of chivalry that a papal knight need not be a Catholic or even a Christian,

I see from the reference in the article to [1] that he had a Catholic funeral. I cannot imagine that permission for this would be accorded a non-Catholic, but if so, it would be so unusual that it would have to be specifically proven to contradict the assumption. I'd add that it should be possible to find sources for baptism, if he was baptized. DGG ( talk ) 00:20, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Please note the commentary at Category:American Roman Catholics "Categories regarding religious beliefs ... should not be used unless the subject has publicly self-identified with the belief". Plenty of people go to Catholic schools, have Catholic weddings and funeral services without being practising Catholics. If he declared himself a practising then that is fine. I removed the Catholic category because there is no sourced evidence given that he is (there still isn't). I am not suggesting that he isn't Catholic, just that categories needs sources. There is no dispute. Thank you. Span (talk) 01:15, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

I would like some specific citations re: the "many people" who are buried from the Catholic Church who were not members of it. The term is not at all specific, so I would like to see some names and references of them. We hope (talk) 01:39, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Internet Archive issues

They are changing from their older database and there are problems when accessing a link at times. Clicking the link "Impatient" on the page that comes up will display the selected page in the meantime. We hope (talk) 13:12, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

The situation with these links is still the same. If this doesn't resolve soon, will take any Archive links from this page and put them through Web Citation. (Worked with a troublesome Archive ref that would not come up with an "Impatient" link.) We hope (talk) 19:19, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Perry Como Show

There's a lot of great detail in this article, but some more attention could probably be given to "general overview" portions. For example, I came to the article to learn the years that he was doing a regular television show, and couldn't really find anything. The article says "weekly", but isn't really clear what the beginning and ending years were. Could this be fixed in the lead? --Elonka 00:37, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Have added his weekly show timeframe to the lead, added dates to subheadings in the "Television" section and tried to clarify more when Como stopped appearing on TV weekly, switching to monthly appearances only from 1963-1967. Do the changes help? We hope (talk) 00:57, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Much better, yes, thanks for the quick turnaround! --Elonka 03:10, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Tuscaloosa News story

Tuscaloosa News The text leading up to the quote is "Como and his wife share an old fashioned theory on how to raise children." And then comes the quote about whacking. This is not evidence that either of the Comos were child abusers. We hope (talk) 19:23, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Seventh son of a seventh son

"Born Pierino Ronald Como, Perry was the seventh son of a seventh son in a family of 13 children, and he started helping out in the local barber shop to earn extra money for the family at the age of 10." --189.122.148.176 (talk) 09:29, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

References

Russ Case

Just wrote this article, and noticed that Case isn't mentioned anywhere in Como's article. Seems like he probably merits at least a passing mention somewhere here. Chubbles (talk) 01:37, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

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