Talk:People of the Red Orchestra

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Hans Adler, part of Herbert Baum. Can't identify the name anywhere.
Jean Gesser. Mentioned at [1]
Angele Lorge. Unable to identify name anywhere.
Marcus Lustbader. Possibly brother of Sarah Greenberg.
Herbert Budzislawsky. Herbert Baum group. Mentioned as a name only in Trepper Report
Herbert and Dora Jäger. Unable to identify anywhere. Seemed to a couple.
Kurt Bernhard. Herbert Baum group. Unable to identify.
Tanka Janewa. Possibly a code name. Can find information identifying the name or connection to the Red Orchestra. Seemed to be a Bulgarian partisan who came to Germany. Linked via Klara Schabbel.
Else Sussmann. Saleswoman. Unable to find any information.
Gustav Sadranowski. Part of Walter Homann group. Do as a separate article.
Heinz Schlichting. No info. German article states part of Bästlein group, but no evidence.
Erika Schmidt. Unable to find any information. scope_creep^Talk 18:18, 20 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Susanne Schmitz. Mistress of MIKHAIL MAKAROV. p.312 of CIA book, Keseril. Not much mentioned.|-
Klara Schürmann (1901-?) Schulze-Boysen Group, Harnack Group. Name drops only.
Anna Starizkaja (1908-1981) No mention, but obviously important somehow.
Heinz Schrader (1904–1943?) Communist. Knew Guddorf. Given prison term. Linked to Adolf Grimme. Also known as Heinrich Schrader.
Rudolf Schweffel Group Tucholla/ No information on it.
Karl Schuster (1896-1978) No info.
Willi Seeger Linked with John Seig, but no real info apart from name.
Clara Nehmitz. Als Klara Nehmitz. Part of Bastlein Group but no other info.
Hermann Natterodt. Ref available on German de article, but little information about him.
Hertha Scholz - Seemed to be in resistance but might not be Red Orchestra
Hermann Pabst. Deficiently part of the red orchestra, possibly in the core group as an outsider, possibly a courier, cell member.
Ernst Wüste (1903-1956) Linked to John Seig
Karl Mundstock. German writer. Unable to determine link to red orchestra.
Marcel Vranck Name is mentioned in relation to groups but that is all.
Di Pao Chen Chu Press attaché at the Chinese Embassy in Bern. Group Pakbo
André Richter (1921–1945) Unable to identify.
Willi Rome (1911–1999) KJVD, KPD member, Communist, GRU agent. Certainly notable but unable to determine how he is linked to Rote Kapelle.
Erika Kurz Courier between Kuchenmeister and Elfriede Paul.
Kurt Kujawicki Cant find a thing on him.
Gustav Ritzerow. Unable to determine who he is, except that he was part of the Shulze-Boysen group. A search on first name turned up nothing as well. scope_creep^Talk 18:39, 17 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Marguerite Marivet. Secretary in the Simex branch in Marseille. Worked with Jules Jasper. Seems to be fair minor actor who did not know of the espionage work. Only tangentially linked to any of Treppers groups.
Marie-Therese Verboren (1910–1965) Seemed to link to Trepper group somehow, but only name drop.
Heinz Verleih. (1910-1965) Guddorf tried to recruit him while in prison but he refused. Verleih helped Guddorf escape prison.
Elisabeth Verleih Possibly Heinz Verleih wife.
Jean Masson and Paul Masson
Frau mit unbekanntem Vornamen
Josef Lappe (1879–1944) Educator and municipal politician, SDP member, Received note that the Nazis wanted to bring him to a concentration camp in 1944, Survived and fled but died shortly from shingles, Held a critical attitude of the Nazi's. - Unable to determine link to any of the groups.
Grete Falk. Entry in Kesaris book but unable to identify role.

scope_creep^Talk 16:57, 31 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Fixes

Wilhelm Fellendorf - Potentially two different reports on what he did after parachuting and finding Bastlein.

Todo

Mention all the groups in the lede or following paragraph, e.g. Herbert Baum group, who were killed off after a single incident, and the folk are not included here for this reason, or perhaps this reason.
Also need to declare that some name and details associated with those names are in doubt, or cant fixed to a specific person. Perhaps a general warning, or possibly a symbol next to them, e.g. Wilhelm Fellendorf or Maurice A, the engineer, who was in the Rote Drei.
Need to include all others names from the Kesaris book. Most are already in here, but name by name check including post information check to determine they are not using codenames, re: above.
Need to review the list above, it is getting quite big. Check with Kesaris and CIA Library if known. Mildred Harnack book.
Need to check the above list on the National Archives as well. Seem to be a fair number of names turning up. Possibly find the finck study by us Brits.

Heinrich Fomferra, (1895–1979), Soviet agent, February 1942, | Sentenced to 12 years in Ružomberok penitentiary but was later rescued from jail in 1944 by Slovak partisans

style="text-align: center;" |Parachutist.^[1]

Seems to be based in Hungary. Check. scope_creep^Talk 00:39, 25 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Boris Volodarsky (2015). Stalin's Agent: The Life and Death of Alexander Orlov. Oxford University Press. p. 325. ISBN 978-0-19-965658-5. Retrieved 1 February 2019.

Todo

Group Hilda smit missing, nagel Luteran Knochel Dankaart Laar J Kruyt

scope_creep^Talk 17:04, 15 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Portegies Jefremov

Todo

Finished up to D in the Kesaris group. scope_creep^Talk 17:09, 16 May 2019 (UTC) Yscope_creep^Talk 18:12, 31 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Completed first Jefremov Group

scope_creep^Talk 12:35, 20 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

TODO

Need to look how the Bästlein-Jacob-Abshagen Group is linked to Saefkow-Jacob-Bästlein Organization and how Inner Front is related to these two groups. scope_creep^Talk 21:06, 25 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This is done. The Harnack group diagram in Kesaris shows a clear link between Saefkow-Jacob-Bästlein Organization group via Bernhard Bästlein via Wilhelm Guddorf to Harnack. So they are definitely part of this article and are now identified as Harnack group. scope_creep^Talk 11:48, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

scope_creep^Talk 18:12, 31 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

TODO

p.14 of Kesaris. Split groups into different agents. scope_creep^Talk 23:12, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Mostly done. scope_creep^Talk 00:43, 29 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Final Process

Check the TODO process above. Y
Check the list above, may need to add back into the article as Google has updated graph after two years of research. Went through twice. Y
Change the session of the senate into the correct session, e.g. 2nd, 3rd session. Done up to H. Y
Take the KPD member out of employment, unless they were employed by it. Put in Rote Kapelle as KPD member, Communist. Y
If individual is Soviet agent, sent from Russia, then put in employment as Soviet Agent, colour and describe what they are, rank etc. Y
If individual is were parachutist, the put work in employment and Soviet Parachutist in Rote Kapelle Position, colour as eight parachutists
Take out Herbert Baum. Has own article but decide if he is suitable to come out. Take out. Can see how he is linked to any groups. Y
Go through Kesaris book, decide what names need to go in for e.g. Sissy group. Diagram only. Y
Kesaris book is relatively old. Check names on diagrams and add if available information. All german names on list have been checked.
Decide if we need to add German military folk, per German article. German military have added per German article. Y
Check all the names in each table, ensure they link to an article and if not disambiguate as resistance fighter. Y
Check spelling at the same time. Y
Put in a gallery of diagrams from the Red Orchestra. Need to complete these. Y
Need to explain in first paragraph who the groups are and explain why the Sissy groups, i.e. they are not identified. Y Sufficient detail in the organisation caption to explain each group. scope_creep^Talk 14:45, 15 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Change table headers to ensure either rote kapelle or military.Y

scope_creep^Talk 14:51, 15 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Sarah Goldberg

There is a solid ref on the dictionary of national bio of belgium. Radio operator, inner core of rote kapelle. Could do with a biography. Got the doc. scope_creep^Talk 22:53, 23 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Done.

scope_creep^Talk 08:25, 11 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

[Volodarsky2015-1] Boris Volodarsky (2015). Stalin's Agent: The Life and Death of Alexander Orlov. Oxford University Press. p. 325. ISBN 978-0-19-965658-5. Retrieved 1 February 2019.

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