Talk:People Mover (Venice)

Article naming

Sladen Please make your approach for a discussion if don't agree with the changes. The official name of the system is mere "People Mover". If you insist in naming the article as "Venice People Mover" please find a reliable source to support your opinion. --Vаdiм (talk) 13:25, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Vаdiм, thank you for the enthusiastic edits to the Venice People Mover article. For naming the article, the desire is to (try to) follow WP:COMMONNAME (reflecting names that are used, rather than official names); then ensuring that the article name remains WP:CONCISE and finding a solution for WP:NATURALDIS, generally without commas or parentheses if possible.

A people mover article about the generic topic already exists, so is already WP:PRIMARYTOPIC—and people mover (disambiguation) lists other articles that are also not the the primary topic. WP:GHITS is not a solution for everything, but gives a good quick sanity check for possible article naming proposals, where the proposed names can be compared to the existing article:

Possible article names
Name	WP:GHITS	Notes
+"people mover (venice)" -wikipedia	~1k	mostly "People Mover, Venice" or lists of keywords
+"venice people mover" -wikipedia	≥6.5k	existing article name

Are there any other proposed article names that could be tested as a comparison? —Sladen (talk) 17:18, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Sladen So, no reliable sources so far, correct?

Google search queries

Contrary to your seasoning Google results not valid for references. They simply list that amount of information, mostly unreliable, available on the Internet (some of this information is known to be influenced by the WP).

Having said this the queries thenselves are incorrect. It's incorrect to search for +"people mover (venice)" ("+" doesn't makes sense here) trying to find out if "People Mover" is a correct name for the People Mover in Venice because the (venice) is not a part of the name.

So in this case you should actually search for "people mover" venice -wikipedia -wikimedia and then compare it to "people mover venice" -wikipedia -wikimedia. Apparently the results of the former query would contain the results of the later one, but you'll get some indication.

I'd bet you haven't check closely the results of your queries as +"people mover venice" -wikipedia also gives "Venice's People Mover", "Venice, People Mover", "Venice - People Mover" also "People mover from Venice", "People mover in Venice", etc.

Reliable sources

You've missed something crucial — as per the WP:TITLE: "Generally, article titles are based on what the subject is called in reliable sources".

It's most likely you'd find some reliable information in a specialist publication. Perhaps the Google Scholar, as suggested by the WP:GHITS , will give some better results.

For "venice people mover" there are 5 results. It's easy to check them all:

In Evaluation of the effectiveness of “innovative” and “unconventional systems in urban areas the 1st mention of the people mover in Venice is "People Mover in Venice", the phrase "Venice People Mover" appears at the references.

In Cruise Control: Cruise Ships Influencing the City of Venice "Venice people mover" is a reference to an instance of a people in Venice. The people mover in Venice is referenced there merely as the People Mover.

In Clean Venice: Infrastructure & Place-Making in Venice, Italy it's "The Venice People Mover".

Cruise Control is a duplication of the "Cruise Control: Cruise Ships Influencing the City of Venice" above.

Among the results the "Railway transportation systems: design, construction and operation" is a quite peculiar one as it borrows heavily from the Wikipedia. I do not count it.

So, in this search basically it's 1 for "The Venice People Mover" and 2 for the "People Mover" in Venice.

For venice "people mover" there are 192 results. Among them there is at least a dozen or two of publications which name the people mover in Venice as the "People Mover".

The name

Ok then, the name of the people mover in Venice is "People Mover", a rather short name.

As you pointed out this title is already used in the WP for a more generic term, a kind of an automated guideway transit system. So, this instance of the "People Mover" needs to be disambiguated.

Here comes the "People Mover (Venice)". Let's have a look at the People mover (disambiguation). There is the People Mover (Anchorage), for a company in Anchorage called "People Mover" there and Detroit People Mover for a people mover in Detroit named Detroit People Mover (clearly visible at it's logo).

The title "People Mover (Venice)" follows this scheme. The (Venice) part in the title is a disambiguation suffix, not a part of the feature's name. The similar naming was also used for de:People Mover (Venedig) and nl:People Mover (Venetië). --Vаdiм (talk) 15:13, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 8 December 2019

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The result of the move request was: page moved (non-admin closure) ~~ CAPTAIN MEDUSA^talk 07:10, 16 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Venice People Mover → People Mover (Venice) – The relevant sources confirm the name of the system as the "People Mover". The proposed name is chosen to underscore this system's name is literally the same as the generic term the people mover. The (Venice) part in the title is a disambiguation suffix.

At the People mover (disambiguation) there is the People Mover (Anchorage), for a company in Anchorage called "People Mover". The similar naming was also used for de:People Mover (Venedig) and nl:People Mover (Venetië).

That's in contrast to, for example, the Detroit People Mover for a people mover in Detroit where Detroit is a part of the name of the system — Detroit People Mover (clearly visible at it's logo). Vаdiм (talk) 11:29, 8 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

Support per nomination and reply comment by nominator. – BrandonXLF (talk) 22:26, 9 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

BrandonXLF; would it be possible to expand on the answer? (ie. which exact comments/sentences?—an original discussion was from 3 December 2019 ~~has been modified and prefaced by~~ with new comments on 11 December 2019. —Sladen (talk) 19:49, 11 December 2019 (UTC) For the avoidance of doubt, any suitably disambiguated name that passes WP:COMMONNAME by showing an improvement is fine.[reply]

Updated: Have moved new proposal out of middle to preserve existing chronological ordering. —Sladen (talk) 19:57, 11 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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