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This article was nominated for deletion on 7 September 2021. The result of the discussion was no consensus.

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Less than 2 hours?

@Lockley, Carptrash, Zeete, Doncram, Beyond My Ken, Randy Kryn, Smallbones, and Ser Amantio di Nicolao:
This article seems to be modeled after Pedimental sculptures in the United States. I started that article, and a number of us worked for weeks on filling it in. This article has been up for less than a day, and the call for its deletion came in less than 2 hours.
Please join me in helping to expand this.
Thanks. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 13:44, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Let's see if this link works. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pedimental sculptures in Canada. Carptrash (talk) 16:45, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Canada could really use a SIRIS

@Lockley, Carptrash, Doncram, Beyond My Ken, Randy Kryn, Smallbones, and Johnbod:
The Smithsonian Institution Research Information System's Art Inventories Catalog (SIRIS) is a national treasure. To have a central repository of information on U.S. works of art -- artist/architect, dates, location, medium, dimensions, owner, dedication, citations -- is invaluable. Thanks to everyone (including some of you) who contributed to its creation, and to its continual expansion.
== BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 18:08, 16 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Much of the SIRIS information was collected by the SOS! project during the early 1990s, and yes, it would be great if Canada were to do something along those lines. I emailed several Canadian art groups about this article but have not received a reply. Perhaps we should do it as an article here? Sculpture of Canada broken down into the different provinces? Or should we do Pedimental sculpture of France and Pedimental sculpture of the UK first? PS for those tracking my eye issues, I now have pretty severe double vision, so twice as much fun as before. Carptrash (talk) 18:24, 16 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Very sorry about the eye problems. I worry that we'll have to go to vintage newspaper articles to finish filling in the table. Canada also could use more tireless architectural photographers like you, Beyond My Ken and Smallbones. My favorite photo of a Gettysburg monument remains yours of a rifleman thru tall grass.

== BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 18:48, 16 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks to all who have contributed here & continue to, and expressed themselves on the AfD. It's been a learning process that's for sure. And heartening, all the support. The pedimental sculpture article is so fundamentally useful why didn't we have one before? And for anybody proposing Pedimental sculpture of France or Pedimental sculpture of Paris or even Pedimental sculpture of the 1st arrondissement, be aware, at this point we can show that there are more sculpted pediments on the Louvre than there are in all of Canada -- notice the subdirectory on that page. --Lockley (talk) 23:58, 16 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

responding to AfD feedback

Hello @BoringHistoryGuy, Carptrash, Doncram, Beyond My Ken, Randy Kryn, Smallbones, Leutha, and Johnbod:

Since the date of the AfD listing, I see the involved editors here have been responsive to the criticisms offered -- amazingly responsive -- and at least one issue left to address.

One complaint was that this was unique wikipedia coverage of pedimental sculpture, having only the U.S. counterpart as a similar example. This turns out to be untrue. There are six articles about pedimental sculpture, including this one, all in the new category Category:Pedimental sculpture, which broadly establishes something about the significance of the format.

One of those six articles addresses a complaint about missing context, that the Canada article was a "child" without a "parent." Meet the parent: the article pedimental sculpture was much-discussed on the AfD thread as non-existent, was then started up by Leutha, thank you Leutha, expanded by Johnbod and others of us, thank you Johnbod and others. If nothing else came of this, that article is a great beginning.

In the AfD, Doncram mentioned the inclusion standards from the talk page of the U.S. counterpart, a standard that "excludes local, residential or commercial ones which are simply laurels and flowers and scrolls." I like those Suggested Ground Rules as BHG called them. I think applying that standard here puts several entries on the bubble for elimination: the Bonsecours Market, the Prince Edward Building in Regina, and regretfully the Maisonneuve Public Bath and Gymnasium which doesn't qualify for this list, as wonderous as it is. I think they should go. What do you think?

Why was I looking at the AfD? Because the closure of the AfD was challenged in a Deletion Review. It deserves mention somewhere on this page. Four of the five Delete voters from the AfD reappear in that discussion. I'm not urging anybody to go join that DRV discussion. I'm not canvassing you for your !vote there. I'm only suggesting that you be on the lookout. Best to all --Lockley (talk) 20:12, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]