Talk:Peacock Throne

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The picture used earlier was a modern painting, it was not based on a contemporary miniature. The peacock throne was much bigger as can be seen in contemporary paintings.

--Malaiya 17:18, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Merge Takht e Taus into Peacock Throne

Mostly duplicated info. Takht e Taus is the more complete page, but in English, Peacock Throne is the better-known term. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nemonoman (talk • contribs) 02:21, 26 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Do not Merge Takht e Taus into Peacock Throne

Takht e Taus is not a “more complete page.” It is a work of fiction authored by someone with a nationalist agenda and it contradicts all documented evidence on the legitimate Peacock Throne. Please look up “Peacock Throne” in any legitimate encyclopedia such as Britannica. Anyone claiming that a Turkish throne in Istanbul is the actual Peacock Throne is either a liar or sorely misinformed. The original Peacock Throne was destroyed in 1747, the only thrones to have used that name since are in Persia (Iran) where the Persian term, Takht-e Tavous, also refers to the institution of the Persian monarchy as well as the actual throne. Houshyar

Takht e Taus is the term used in India for Shah Jehan's throne. It has nothing to do with Iran, although it was taken away by an Iranian. The Iranian peacock throne just a small chair-like throen which does not have any of the magnificience of the Indian throne.

The Peacock Throne page should be for the Iranian throne, which has nothing to do with the Indian throne.

--Bharatshah 23:06, 27 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm confused and uncomfortable by this...

This comment throws me!

The Peacock Throne page should be for the Iranian throne, which has nothing to do with the Indian throne.--Bharatshah 23:06, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

When I suggested a merge, these two articles were nearly identical.

Now the Peacock Throne article has been changed.

It calls the throne Takht-e-Tavous, which looks a lot like the name of the OTHER article Takht e Taus. Why is the Persian Language-titled article supposedly about India, and the English Version supposedly about Persia?

If the picture is of the Mughal peacock throne, what is it doing on this page, which is now supposedly dedicated only to the Persian history?

How exactly did Nader Shah get the throne as tribute from the Mughal emperor Babur? In 1738, he'd been dead for 208 years?

I suggest we have one page that describes: The Peacock Throne created for Shah Jahan, and finally taken by Nadir Shah Other examples of "Peacock Thrones". The diffusion of the term "Peacock Throne" to refer to Persian Monarchy, and its eventual application the rule of Iranian Shahs.

This should not be something to make a big fuss over. --Nemonoman 00:46, 28 February 2006 (UTC) bad bad — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.161.151.21 (talk) 15:56, 1 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Which version is in the photo?

Which version of the throne is in the photo? The 1836 throne? --24.21.148.155 (talk) 04:26, 7 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Rhetorical WHAT?

Who the heck threw in that nonsense about the rhetorical use of the phrase "Peacock Throne"? While it's all factual, it's somewhat irrelevant, and even if it WERE relevant, it applies to almost ALL uses of both "throne" and "crown." As such, if it belongs anywhere, it belongs in those sections, NOT in this specific subset of a greater whole. 61.170.234.152 (talk) 18:37, 27 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This section on rhetoric certainly doesn't belong here. It is very erudite but in the wrong place. Ducky59 (talk) 14:53, 18 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I am moving the conflicted content here till a better way to incorporate the information can be found. It was very much out of place.--Labattblueboy (talk) 20:10, 28 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Rhetorical usage

The Peacock Throne is a flexible English term. It is also a rhetorical trope. Depending on context, the Peacock Throne can be construed as a metonymy, which is a rhetorical device for an allusion relying on proximity or correspondence, as for example referring to actions of the Mughal ruler or the shah or as "actions of the throne." The throne is also understood as a synecdoche, which is related to metonymy and metaphor in suggesting a play on words by identifying a closely related conceptualization, e.g.,

referring to a part with the name of the whole, such as "the throne" for the mystic process of transferring monarchic authority, e.g.,

"The bitter example of their own family history would sooner or later have driven Dara and Shuja and Aurangzeb and Murad to contend for the Peacock Throne with desperate fury."^[1]

referring to the whole with the name of a part, such as "the throne" for the serial symbols and ceremonies of enthronement.

referring to the general with the specific, such as "the throne" for kingship.^[2]

referring to the specific with the general, such as "the throne" for the truncated reign of Mohammad Reza Pahlavi or equally as well for the ambit of the Mughal or Persian monarchy.

References

^ Hansen, Waldemar. (1986). The Peacock Throne, p. 198.
^ Williams, David. (1858). The preceptor's assistant, or, Miscellaneous questions in general history, literature, and science, p. 153.

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Takht-i Tāvūs

The name in Persian is Persian: تخت طاووس, Takht-i Tāvūs. If anyone has any Hindustani name feel free to add it as well. Gryffindor (talk) 23:43, 5 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Where is this sourced in article, and how does adding such scripts not violate WP:INDICSCRIPTS? Dhtwiki (talk) 18:07, 6 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Hansen, Waldemar. (1986). The Peacock Throne, p. 198.

[2] Williams, David. (1858). The preceptor's assistant, or, Miscellaneous questions in general history, literature, and science, p. 153.

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