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A fact from Pavle Jovanovic (bobsledder) appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 8 July 2020 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that bobsleigh pusher Pavle Jovanovic was "one of the most feared brakemen" on the Bobsleigh World Cup circuit?

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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 13:16, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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~~... that Pavle Javonovic was one of the best "pusher"s in bobsledding, a position requiring extraordinary speed, strength, and finesse?~~ Source: here there “If there was ever a bobsledder born to push heavy objects, man it was Pavle. Pavle was definitely a one of a kind original.” Mesler memorialized that Jovanovic was his "personal legend," and "the athlete that set the standard for focus, dedication, meticulousness, and drive” in his life and for the team. ... Pavle was king. He WAS the standard." there "When it comes to loading into the sled, I think that that is something that only years and years of experience in high competitions, with crowds and years of training properly at high speeds, can really give you crisp, smooth look," he explained. "That is just timing and work over and over again in the whole offseason." Since mere thousandths of a second can separate winner, precise teamwork is required. Obtaining "the smoothest acceleration" is the goal, and entry should be automatic, "crisp and clean". "And from that point on, you are just trying to stay as smooth and as long and as bio-mechanically correct as you can from what your coaches have taught you all along." there
- ALT1:~~... that Pavle Javonovic was one of the best "pusher"s in bobsledding, a position requiring extraordinary speed, strength, and precise automatic teamwork?~~ Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)

Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/John Ward Westcott

5x expanded by 7&6=thirteen (☎) Self-nominated at 18:08, 12 May 2020 (UTC).[reply]

This article is new enough and long enough. The hook facts are largely cited inline, the article is neutral and I detected no copyright issues. A QPQ has been done. Could we word the hook a little differently, the word "finesse" does not appear in the article or source given, and there are plenty of other superlatives to choose from? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:40, 7 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1 is little better than ALT0, the word "teamwork" for example appears once in the article, when it is used by Jovanovic himself, and "speed" is little better. Choose a hook that reflects what it actually says in the article. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 13:16, 7 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"The article" meaning the sources? Or the Wikipedia article? 7&6=thirteen (☎) 13:27, 7 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You cannot have any fact in the hook which is not in the Wikipedia article, but if something is in a source, you can add it (with a citation) to the Wikipedia article, and then use it in the hook. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 17:36, 7 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This nomination has stalled for a while. User:7&6=thirteen, Cwmhiraeth, how about:

ALT2 ... that Pavle Jovanovic, considered pivotal to ending America's 46-year Olympic medal drought in bobsledding, missed the Olympics where the drought was broken because of a doping allegation?

The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 20:52, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I am good with ALT2, too. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 23:00, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I like ALT2 too, but the last part is confusing; I thought the drought was broken because of a doping allegation. Yoninah (talk) 00:13, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Approving ALT2. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:37, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Ravenpuff: could you help with the grammar in ALT2 before promotion? Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 19:04, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I suppose that we could restructure the hook so that the doping allegation comes first:
- ALT2a: ... that because of a doping allegation, Pavle Jovanovic missed the Olympics in which the U.S.'s 46-year medal drought in bobsleigh was broken, despite being considered pivotal in ending it?
I've also tweaked the hook's grammar a little, as well as replaced "America" with "U.S." to avoid unnecessary ambiguity, and "bobsledding" with "bobsleigh" since that's the official and most common term. — RAVENPVFF · talk · 10:19, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Ravenpuff: I don't know. I think ALT2 read better. Perhaps we could do it this way:

*ALT2b: ... that Pavle Jovanovic, considered pivotal to ending America's 46-year Olympic medal drought in bobsleigh, missed the Olympics where the drought ended due to a doping allegation? Yoninah (talk) 19:59, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

ALT3 : ... that a bobsleigh pivotal pusher – Pavle Jovanovic – missed the Olympics and the end of a 46 year medal drought due to a doping allegation? 7&6=thirteen (☎) 20:25, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! We'll go with that. Yoninah (talk) 21:08, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

7&6=thirteen Please add a citation to that paragraph that lacks one. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 21:13, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Done It wasn't easy. First website I went to grabbed my browser and told me I had a virus. Not COVID-19. Crumpacker, John (January 22, 2006). "OLYMPIC SPOTLIGHT: Pavle Jovanovic / Back on track in bobsled / Jovanovic bided time after steroid use derailed 2002 bid". sfgate.com. Retrieved June 25, 2020. According to Norton SystemWorks that was false; but it was a scare anyway. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 11:39, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, wow. Glad your computer's healthy. Thank you for adding the source. Since it's dated January 2006, I adjusted the date in the article. Restoring tick per Cwmhiraeth's review. Yoninah (talk) 13:13, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]