Talk:Paulville

Comment

Hi all. I just discovered this item and deemed the sources to establish sufficient notability and breadth to start a new article. I hope you will consider this collation carefully and enjoy contributing as well. JJB 21:46, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Any pictures of the area?--Southern Texas (talk) 19:59, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Marked for Deletion?

Sean Hannity, is that you doing that? James1906 (talk) 07:19, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Four years later the Article is still here. — Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 13:06, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Still here! Jhhillman (talk) 21:15, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

last paragraph

Not that it likely matters, the way the AfD is going, but how is Paul's statement anything like that of the Libertarian Party? --Newsroom hierarchies (talk) 23:21, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Primarily because they, like Sullivan and Walker, are libertarians and thus the insider perspectives are grouped together. JJB 13:54, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

To Jason

For an example of how WP strives for encyclopedic content, you had added antelope and jack rabbits to the text. By seeking to verify this through a third party (Googling turned up the Guadalupe Mountains National Park), I could find that jack rabbits were verifiable, but antelope were not verified and their association with Paulville may just be nothing more than a reference to "Home on the Range". However, several other notable species, like elk, were verified and added to the article. Nothing wrong with starting with a theory that includes antelope, and especially nothing wrong if you turn up another source that verifies antelope in the local area; but as you can see, WP regards everything as a first draft to be improved upon over time. Hope that explains things! I will comment on your other additions later. JJB 17:51, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Here's my first take on Jason's edits (assuming good faith as to authorship); others may want to comment as well:

1. "and is not the name of the first site and planned community": It's my understanding that most everyone is referring to the site and the planned community as "Paulville" and that ", Texas" is appropriately added as a locator. I don't know why it would be inappropriate to call them both "Paulville, Texas"; there has been no suggestion that they would be named anything else.
2. delete "badlands": Taken only from Lone Star Times. It appears this designation need not be insisted on, as not clearly supported by the badlands article, when taken against the other descriptions.  Done
3. "The Paulville community idea": fine, reinserted.  Done
4. 50 acres: turns out we have at least 3 sources for 50, and 500 was taken from Lone Star Times. I have no problem discounting LST on this point.  Done
5. delete "salt flats": Taken from Lone Star Times, which links http://paulville.homestead.com/dell1.html. I'm going to leave this one open, because it's ambiguous whether the site itself is or is near a salt flat.
6. add antelope, jack rabbits: I found a good source for jack rabbits and other fauna (not antelope).  Done
7. "for less than $500 per share": Correcting from sources (NYX & Philly), which quote Paulville.org as "around $500 per share".  Done
8. delete from "cooperative is [also] called 'Paulville.org'": "Also" is necessary because others are calling the cooperative "Paulville, Texas" (and NYX also points out its legal name).
9. "The website was down due to the web hosts servers having technical issues." This is nice to know but is not stated by a third-party source and other speculations exist. WP standards are to take this statement in good faith but not to include it in the article due to needing verification by another. Deleting "for unclear reasons", though. I think we could add the self-published statement that "Website forum posts resumed on May 15 2008." (sourced to the forum).
10. there is no sign: adjusting to metaphorical use.  Done
11. why compared to YFZ?: WP doesn't get to ask that. I think we can guess why but the fact that several have made a connection may well be notable. Any other editors' comments on deleting this sentence?

Jason's talk comments have been copied below. JJB 23:53, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Paulville founders comments:

Most of this Wiki is wrong or slanted, in some of the details totally incorrect. After spending 15 minuts trying to correct it.. I figured this statement should just be put at the bottom.. I'm the founder of Paulville, Jason Ebacher.

Relying on Main Stream Media for Wiki content just doesn't make truthful information. I have given 1 interview, to one non-US paper and thats it, all these other "sources" are reporting marginal or disinformation for the most part.

For instance they reported 500 acres of land and this information is on the Paulville.org site and publically avalabe and they still cant report these numbers correctly... thats just one simple detail that is way off many of these types of things are way off. Dont trust the media, once your part of a story they cover you will see how shoty and inaccurate there work is.

Jason Ebacher —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.25.213.51 (talk • contribs) 20:09, 22 May 2008

Site

Down again for me. Anybody have an update?--YixilTesiphon ^{Say hello}_{Be shallow} 16:47, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Up for me. JJB 21:56, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

'Unique opt-out basis'

"Planners have (at least metaphorically) raised the Paulville town sign[13] and are establishing septic[3] and electrical systems on a unique opt-out basis reflective of principles of individualism:[1] citizens are not required to use the cooperative's water and energy supplies[19] and may choose to live off-grid.[6]"

One of the biggest selling points of Paulville, as far as I've seen, is this "unique opt-out" utility system. But I feel like I'm missing something. How is that different from absolutely everywhere else? I live in New York City, which is like the opposite of Paulville, and I don't have to pay the electric company for electricity. I can do whatever I want. So what's the deal? I'm tempted to delete the word "unique" or maybe even the whole paragraph, but I need someone to explain to me how this is different from everywhere else in America. --38.112.47.130 (talk) 19:52, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

"Unique" is not in source [1] and may be deleted. I understand it's unique for communes to permit ownership of the land but not of the utilities. JJB 21:56, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Status

Any developments on this in the past nine months? Skomorokh 03:56, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

A little bit. Google shows USNWR review, German article, Polish article, Hungarian article, also earlier [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6], perhaps others. As for new news itself, one would need to check the website forum. There is no coverage suggesting the project is off-track at all. JJB 12:34, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Population

It mentions that some residents "choose to live off-grid" from the town's septic and electrical systems. This implies that there are already people living there. What, then, is the current population and/or demographics? Stonemason89 (talk) 14:42, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Wonkette

What makes wonkette so reliable? All it is is a satire/gossip website. Richard (talk) 06:08, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

And liberal/progressive, at that. Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 13:08, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

External Link(s) for the Article

In the 'External links' section of the Article, there is only one link given: http://www.paulville.org/ and clicking on the line gives a "Server not working" message. — FYI, Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 13:13, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

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(Page move)

After looking into this in some detail, I endorse the speedy deletion for the move. There are, for all effective purposes, no other Paulvilles. And the special circumstances of Paulville, Texas indicates that it is probably best placed at just "Paulville" rather than "Paulville, Texas". Herostratus (talk) 22:54, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

Paulville never ended up happening, I edited the article to reflect that.

Sorry, Ron.

As far as I can tell there has been no word on Paulville since 2008. Satellite images of the area also show no development. I changed it all to the past tense and said that the site was never developed and the organization remains inactive.

Appended slash breaks the link?

Note: This was on Talk:Paulville/, its only revision, from 2018. jp×g 23:23, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

wikipedia.org/wiki/Paulville exists. However, following a link to wikipedia.org/wiki/Paulville/ returns a Page Not Found error page from Wikipedia.

Appending a slash the end of a path is not a good practice, but it is a common one.

Somehow I doubt that many Wikipedia pages have titles ending in a slash. Surely this could be parsed out? When I search the internet for "paulville", the first link returned shows info from the /Paulville page, but the link is /Paulville/, which leads to the Page Not Found message.

Seems like a stupid problem to have. ProphetZarquon (talk) 17:32, 20 November 2018 (UTC) jp×g 23:23, 21 October 2023 (UTC)