Talk:Pauline Green/GA1

GA Review

I am reviewing this article and will provide detailed comments later Brianboulton (talk) 21:53, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Initial Review

• Infobox: two sizes of typeface above the photo looks wrong

• Lead
  • The lead is over-referenced. In general, it is only necessary to cite in the lead statements or quotes which do not occur in the main text - which shouldn't be many, given the function of the lead.
  • This sentence must be punctuated, or modified, to make its meaning clear: "She then changed her position following corruption allegations raised by Commissioner Paul van Buitenen to call for Jacques Santer (then President of the European Commission) to react promptly or be sacked."
  • One retires from politics, one doesn't "retire politics"
  • The position she took up was not "first female Chief Executive of Co-operatives^UK", it was "Chief Executive [...], the first female appointed to this post". The text should be adjusted.
  • She is a Dame Commander of the Order of the British Empire, not Dame Commander of the British Empire, and received this in the 2003 New Year Honours list.
  • Her presidency of ICA is unconnected to the DBE honour. Full stop after "Union", then "She is..."

• Early life
  • Section is wrongly titled since it records events down to 2003. Part of the problem is the sentence beginning "Paul Green went on..." I'd ditch this sentence; it spoils the chronology, and the article is about her, not him. It is still pushing it to call the section Early life, but you could perhaps get away with Early life and career (though you'd have to alter the next subsection title to something else)
  • If you do keep the Paul Green sentence, or relocate it, "superindendent" and "commander" both require capitals, and you need to explain what "Brent" is.
  • Awkward phrasing: "before standing in (and losing) the elections for a seat on the area's council". Suggest: "before standing unsuccessfully for a seat on the local council".

• Political life: Early career
  • The subsection could become something like "European Parliament". We're talking about the period 1989 to 1999, when she was 41 to 51 years old, and the word "early" seems wrongly applied here.
  • No comma needed after "June 1989". Redeploy it to after "European elections"
  • What is he purpose of the quotes around "most of the 65 local branches"?
  • Second para, use ndashes or mdashes, not hyphens (I have fixed this)
  • package deal is a common enough term not to require quotes
  • Last line, para 2: Suggest "...it was agreed that Green would take the PES leadership"
  • Year ranges, e.g. 1994–1999, require ndashes not hyphens, and are best formatted 1994–99. I have fixed this one
  • "stand to be Labour's candidate.." should be "stand as...".
  • "Whilst" is wiki-verboten, and you have repetition of "the position" in the final sentence. And you need a comma after "the 1999 leadership elections".

• Controversies
  • Green was seen as a strong advocate..." This is opinion unless cited.
  • First para: a hyphen needs fixing
  • There is a serious gap in referencing, between [24] in the first paragraph and [25] in the fifth. There are several statements, including one direct quote from Green, that must be cited. There are several hyphen violations in the same section of text, and many more throughout the remainder of the section.
  • Santer should be properly described here, not just dropped into the text as "Santer". We haven't heard from him since the lead.
  • "..an an interim arrangement before electing a new Commission"
  • "...on May Day" - I've completely forgot what year we're in. Please give a year.
  • "...extended their powers"? As it is the Parliament's powers, should be its, not their
  • "...and did so by 392 votes to 72 against" would be neater.
  • The long, long sentence beginning "However, Green's stock..." needs to be split
  • "restand" isn't a word - "stand again"
  • This sentence requires attention to establish its meaning: "However she withdrew when it became clear she faced opposition from Spanish, German and French socialists to allow the brokering of a deal making Robin Cook to become PES president." The wording at the end is particularly awkward.
  • No comma needed after "The following September"
  • I think it should be clarified that it is the mechanics of the European Parliament's electoral system, not the UK's electoral syatem, that works in this way.

• Cooperatives UK
  • Too many clauses in the second sentence. Needs to be split for clarity.
  • Don't like the "Green sat down..." bit. Sounds informal and cosy. "Green, together with other high-profile members...drafted a letter..."
  • "nonsense" appears to have open quotes
  • The "deliberate attempt" quote must be cited
  • The last para of this section is one enormous snaking sentence, that must be subdivided into, I would have thought, three. Also, "Green continues to work..." is inspecific as to date and should be reworded, e.g. "During 2008 Green was continuing to work..."

• Honours
  • Per lead, the honour is Dame Commander of the Order of the British Empire

Referencing

• • [21] is to a book, and requires a page reference.

I am putting the review on hold for seven days, to give you time to respond to these points. Brianboulton (talk) 00:12, 23 July 2008 (UTC) Note to editors: I shall be away between 25th and 28th July and will not be able to respond during that period. Brianboulton (talk) 20:55, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Further note: Is anyone interested in this article? The GA nominator has not been an active editor; the most active editor hasn't visited the page for two months. Would someone please indicate a sign of life? Brianboulton (talk) 23:16, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Final GA review

I am failing this article, due to the lack of any comment or response whatever, to the detailed review comments that were left here a week ago. It's not a bad article, but it does need some attention before it reaches GA standard, mainly in the area of prose quality. There are also some referencing issues, and MoS violations, that need attention.

I wasted a lot of time doing the above review to no purpose, and suggest that nominator and editors get their acts together before attempting to renominate. Brianboulton (talk) 16:34, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Hello Brian. Thank you greatly for completing this review. This review page was not in my watchlist, but I just noticed the fail on the Talk page. If the original authors or nominators don't do anything, I will look for time to address your list, and perhaps even renominate the article. --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 20:37, 30 July 2008 (UTC)